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Feb 19, 2019 11:32:00   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
...reminds me of the words of the great Frederick Douglass, one of America’s earliest black heroes, former s***e, and an advisor to President Lincoln, who said: “Everybody has asked the question … ‘What shall we do with the Negro?’ I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! … All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone!”

Bottom line, the best way to help b****s is for government to get out of their lives. The first step toward a better life is to teach people how to get to a point where they can be independent. Liberals, of course, do not want African-Americans to be independent, because they are far too valuable to them as political pawns and as a source for soothing their white-guilt psychoses.

Justice Clarence Thomas tells a great story about his childhood that explains in visual terms why racial r********ns are counterproductive. He said that when he was a young boy, he often played marbles with friends. During one particular game, two of the boys got in an argument over the rules, which in turn resulted in a brawl that scattered all the marbles in every direction.

Thomas says that after order was finally restored, “We didn’t take the time to try to sort out which marbles belonged to which players. We just wanted to play, so we accepted everyone’s current marble count and continued on with the game.”

The moral is that no matter how much you may agree with Steve Hilton that racial discrimination policies of the past have indirectly hurt many people living today, trying to figure out who is entitled to how much would only succeed in slowing down the considerable progress African-Americans have been making for many decades. If institutionalized black suppression still existed in America, millions of African-Americans would not have been able to lift themselves out of poverty and into good-paying jobs and professions over the past fifty years.

Of course, some degree of r****m will always be with us, because it’s a phenomenon that is endemic to the human condition. But in 21st century America, institutionalized, or structural, r****m does not exist (other than as the likes of 'affirmative action,' notwithstanding the claims of those who desperately want to keep identity politics alive.

As the great Shelby Steele, a black activist himself during his college days, puts it, grievance protests of today focus primarily on what he refers to as “microaggressions.” In other words, the big issues are behind us.

Clearly, the best path forward for everyone, especially African-Americans, is to keep moving ahead by emphasizing behavior, character, and accomplishment, not r********ns for the sins of those who are no longer with us.
...reminds me of the words of the great Frederick ... (show quote)


R********ns for what?

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Feb 19, 2019 11:40:05   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
soba1 wrote:
Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. Just because it gets your foot in the door doesn’t mean you should get special treatment after.
I guess it’s kind of like lowering the physical standards for female firefighters



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Feb 19, 2019 11:43:04   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
soba1 wrote:
For sake of argument, let’s say affirmative action did help Clarence Thomas get his foot in the door which is highly likely.
But the question to ask is, what was his GPA?
What was his track record as an attorney after he left college.
To me it’s not that affirmative action got someone’s foot in the door.
It should be what was their performance there after



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Feb 19, 2019 11:50:14   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles
 
B****s have already received 'r********ns' via the vast crooked discriminatory system known as 'affirmative action.' Maybe white males deserve r********ns in light of the past and ongoing discrimination against them.

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Feb 19, 2019 11:54:46   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
B****s have already received 'r********ns' via the vast crooked discriminatory system known as 'affirmative action.' Maybe white males deserve r********ns in light of the past and ongoing discrimination against them.


Really....................................?

http://www.bustle.com/p/who-does-affirmative-action-benefit-white-women-are-some-of-its-biggest-opponents-74034

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Feb 19, 2019 12:06:58   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
...reminds me of the words of the great Frederick Douglass, one of America’s earliest black heroes, former s***e, and an advisor to President Lincoln, who said: “Everybody has asked the question … ‘What shall we do with the Negro?’ I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! … All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him alone!”

Bottom line, the best way to help b****s is for government to get out of their lives. The first step toward a better life is to teach people how to get to a point where they can be independent. Liberals, of course, do not want African-Americans to be independent, because they are far too valuable to them as political pawns and as a source for soothing their white-guilt psychoses.

Justice Clarence Thomas tells a great story about his childhood that explains in visual terms why racial r********ns are counterproductive. He said that when he was a young boy, he often played marbles with friends. During one particular game, two of the boys got in an argument over the rules, which in turn resulted in a brawl that scattered all the marbles in every direction.

Thomas says that after order was finally restored, “We didn’t take the time to try to sort out which marbles belonged to which players. We just wanted to play, so we accepted everyone’s current marble count and continued on with the game.”

The moral is that no matter how much you may agree with Steve Hilton that racial discrimination policies of the past have indirectly hurt many people living today, trying to figure out who is entitled to how much would only succeed in slowing down the considerable progress African-Americans have been making for many decades. If institutionalized black suppression still existed in America, millions of African-Americans would not have been able to lift themselves out of poverty and into good-paying jobs and professions over the past fifty years.

Of course, some degree of r****m will always be with us, because it’s a phenomenon that is endemic to the human condition. But in 21st century America, institutionalized, or structural, r****m does not exist (other than as the likes of 'affirmative action,' notwithstanding the claims of those who desperately want to keep identity politics alive.

As the great Shelby Steele, a black activist himself during his college days, puts it, grievance protests of today focus primarily on what he refers to as “microaggressions.” In other words, the big issues are behind us.

Clearly, the best path forward for everyone, especially African-Americans, is to keep moving ahead by emphasizing behavior, character, and accomplishment, not r********ns for the sins of those who are no longer with us.
...reminds me of the words of the great Frederick ... (show quote)


Ok
Who gets the r********ns?
How black do you have to be to get them.
R********ns for what?
No one alive was a s***e here. So how many generations back does one go?
What about white indentured workers which was a form of s***ery. Do the descendants also get r********ns?
What about b****s who came here and were not s***es but successful business men and some owned s***es as well. How do you know who gets what?
What about other discriminated against groups?
Mormons were driven off their legally owned lands by the way and there was an extermination order from the government making it legal to k**l them. How much r********n do they get?
The whole concept is stupid and only those unable to comprehend complex thoughts believe it is a good idea.

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Feb 19, 2019 12:11:26   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
B****s have already received 'r********ns' via the vast crooked discriminatory system known as 'affirmative action.' Maybe white males deserve r********ns in light of the past and ongoing discrimination against them.


Let me straighten you out on something. If you really give it some thought b****s are not your problem.
We aren't the ones allowing the influx of people flooding this country lowering the wages.
Yes I agree b****s have been duped into thinking the people of color BS but that is rapidly changing.

If you were in So Cal you would see things through a different lens.

I once communicated with a black woman who worked in the Stanford Medical Department.
She worked for a white man, there was also an Asian Doctor I believe on the same level as her boss.
The Asian woman who I believe was Chinese would always ask if there were any Asian applicants.
Of course she would pick them over everyone else.
The black woman informed me that whenever she saw an American born applicant regardless of color she
would immediately notify he boss.

In Cali the lines are very blurred, you might find more b****s on your side than you realize.
B****s aren't the ones trying to change the culture of this country, the language of this country.
You are now being discriminated against dare I say by Asians and Latinos that are now in power.
Black people do not have to power to discriminate against white men.

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Feb 19, 2019 12:14:27   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Ok
Who gets the r********ns?
How black do you have to be to get them.
R********ns for what?
No one alive was a s***e here. So how many generations back does one go?
What about white indentured workers which was a form of s***ery. Do the descendants also get r********ns?
What about b****s who came here and were not s***es but successful business men and some owned s***es as well. How do you know who gets what?
What about other discriminated against groups?
Mormons were driven off their legally owned lands by the way and there was an extermination order from the government making it legal to k**l them. How much r********n do they get?
The whole concept is stupid and only those unable to comprehend complex thoughts believe it is a good idea.
Ok br Who gets the r********ns? br How black do y... (show quote)


White indentured servants were not forced into s***ery.
Mormons have two states Idaho and Utah.

http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2064-mormons-run-las-vegas-5-realities-sin-citys-history.html

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Feb 19, 2019 13:01:14   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
soba1 wrote:
White indentured servants were not forced into s***ery.
Mormons have two states Idaho and Utah.

http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2064-mormons-run-las-vegas-5-realities-sin-citys-history.html


B****s have Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis and many other cities.
You missed my point.
Who determine if you are black enough.
Most so called b****s today have considerable white in them.
Obummer was NOT black he was white. You cannot prove otherwise.
Mormons do not have Idaho or Utah.
The issue how do you determine who gets what?

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Feb 19, 2019 13:09:52   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles
 
I'm happy to have launched such spirited and incisive discussion.

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Feb 19, 2019 13:15:05   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Architect1776 wrote:
B****s have Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis and many other cities.
You missed my point.
Who determine if you are black enough.
Most so called b****s today have considerable white in them.
Obummer was NOT black he was white. You cannot prove otherwise.
Mormons do not have Idaho or Utah.
The issue how do you determine who gets what?


http://www.idahostatesman.com/living/religion/article214708930.html

http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=4663941&itype=CMSID

Immigrants are getting a lot of help
http://pocketsense.com/business-grants-immigrants-7454512.html

Obama doesn't count.
Say for instance someone like myself if I can trace my lineage back to the turn of last century that
would be a good marker.
To determine how much; you would have to determine how much the US made in todays dollars as a result of s***ery. Remember I provided a list of corps that profited from s***ery that are still around today.

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Feb 19, 2019 13:36:40   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
One more thing I don't give a rats rear about r********ns.
I'm just refuting arguments against, but my stand is why not.

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Feb 19, 2019 13:49:11   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Ok
Who gets the r********ns?
How black do you have to be to get them.
R********ns for what?
No one alive was a s***e here. So how many generations back does one go?
What about white indentured workers which was a form of s***ery. Do the descendants also get r********ns?
What about b****s who came here and were not s***es but successful business men and some owned s***es as well. How do you know who gets what?
What about other discriminated against groups?
Mormons were driven off their legally owned lands by the way and there was an extermination order from the government making it legal to k**l them. How much r********n do they get?
The whole concept is stupid and only those unable to comprehend complex thoughts believe it is a good idea.
Ok br Who gets the r********ns? br How black do y... (show quote)


With all due respect, Mormons were somewhat war like and they definitely bucked accepted norms. I realize you like how Mormons treat women, except you probably believe the main church sold out to get statehood.

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Feb 19, 2019 14:32:56   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
soba1 wrote:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/living/religion/article214708930.html

http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=4663941&itype=CMSID

Immigrants are getting a lot of help
http://pocketsense.com/business-grants-immigrants-7454512.html

Obama doesn't count.
Say for instance someone like myself if I can trace my lineage back to the turn of last century that
would be a good marker.
To determine how much; you would have to determine how much the US made in todays dollars as a result of s***ery. Remember I provided a list of corps that profited from s***ery that are still around today.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/living/religion/arti... (show quote)


You would have to have both parents 4 grandparents and so forth that would prove all with no exception were actual s***es. Not just one strand otherwise 90% of America would get r********ns like Pochantas is a real Indian.

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Feb 19, 2019 14:43:55   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Architect1776 wrote:
You would have to have both parents 4 grandparents and so forth that would prove all with no exception were actual s***es. Not just one strand otherwise 90% of America would get r********ns like Pochantas is a real Indian.


My father was born in 1920 something; my mother was born in 1935 I believe.
The only one possibility since I am from New Orleans originally is that there
was a period in history that Hatians did immigrate to Louisana specifically New Orleans.

The reason my curiosity was piqued regarding Haitians is because I noticed a lot
of Haitian food was very similar to that of the b****s in Louisinna. But then still
Hatians probably intermarried with the b****s already there.

Here is another one; how many b****s immigrated to the US freely say from the 1800's to the beginning
of the 1900's

There are documents that can prove how far back people go.

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