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Nikon 70-200mm 2.8 lens vs 18-300 mm 3.5-6.3 G ED VR Lens for a Nikon D850
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Feb 18, 2019 10:24:32   #
charlienow Loc: Hershey, PA
 
I will trade yo even up...my d7200 with 18-300 for you clunky 850 and 28-200...

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Feb 18, 2019 10:25:11   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Although the 70-200 f2.8 VR will serve you well I am going to say that you need something like a 35mm prime or a zoom within the mid range for many of your landscape photography, something like the 24-105 f4 VR.
Never use a DX lens with a full frame body.

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Feb 18, 2019 10:48:56   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
CO wrote:
Would you really use the 18-300mm on your D850? I just went on DXOMark and checked the perceived megapixels of the Nikon 18-300mm f/3.5-5.6 G ED VR on the high resolution D7100. It has 9 perceived megapixels. The Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8E ED VR has 20 perceived megapixels on a Nikon D800E.

The 18-300mm has an overall score of 15. The 24-70mm has an overall score of 29.


Interesting info.

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Feb 18, 2019 10:49:06   #
Dossile
 
I have a basic rule for buying glass. I would never buy anything for a D850 that wasn’t high enough quality glass to have a fixed aperture: 1.4, 1.8, 2.8, or 4. A big thumbs down on the 18-300. My first Fx Lens was a 16-35 f4 which is great for landscape. I now have a 24-70 E and 70-200 E 2.8. They compliment the D850 beautifully. For some, it is a heavy set up but it covers most landscape contingencies. I would be very happy with a setup with the 70-200, my favorite lens, and a 50 1.4 and the 20 1.8. This later setup would be less expensive and lighter. I end up using the 24-70 for indoor family snapshots, so the setup works for me overall. Had I not already bought the 16- 35 f4 a few years ago, I would have bought the 20 1.8 and the 50 1.8 or 1.4 instead.

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Feb 18, 2019 10:52:46   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
alexskoz wrote:
I shoot landscape photos, Sunsets and Sunrises! What is your thoughts or suggestions in using these lenses? Is the quality of the photo any more or less with these lenses. Thinking of switching from 70-200 to 18-300. Thinking the 18-300 is more versatile. My photography is a serious hobby!

Thanks
Alex


This isn't a race! On a D850 why would you put a DX lens with much less aperture? It seems counter-productive.

Cheers!

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Feb 18, 2019 11:59:01   #
Raz Theo Loc: Music City
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Someone should take your D 850 away from you if you are asking this question.


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Feb 18, 2019 11:59:59   #
Raz Theo Loc: Music City
 
xt2 wrote:
This isn't a race! On a D850 why would you put a DX lens with much less aperture? It seems counter-productive.

Cheers!

Why would you even try to explain?

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Feb 18, 2019 13:43:12   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
alexskoz wrote:
I shoot landscape photos, Sunsets and Sunrises! What is your thoughts or suggestions in using these lenses? Is the quality of the photo any more or less with these lenses. Thinking of switching from 70-200 to 18-300. Thinking the 18-300 is more versatile. My photography is a serious hobby!

Thanks
Alex

You have received a lot of suggestions, comments, and information. My opinion is to stay with the better lenses, FX lenses, for your D850.

My explanation for this is based on the capabilities of each - camera and lens. If using a less capable camera with the 70-200 f/2.8, for instance, you will still get great pictures. But the performance of the lens is dependent on and limited by the resolving power of the camera. Now put that same lens on the D850, and you will see a big difference - the camera is more than adequate to demonstrate the superior qualities of the lens.

In contrast, putting a lens on the D850 that works fine on a DX camera, and you will not see significant improvement on the D850. In this case, it is the lens that limits the camera!

As a serious photographer, you can appreciate the importance of getting the most out of your very good camera! There is a good reason why people consider the 14-24, 24-70, and 70-200, all f/2.8, as the classic or "golden" trio! They all have pro build and superior glass, plus their range of focal lengths covers just about any thing you will need. Yes, prime lenses can be sharper, but most of us enjoy the convenience of an appropriate zoom.

I have used my 24-70 a lot for landscapes. It has a wide enough angle of view to capture a lot of what you can see, and will zoom in a bit closer if you don't want it all. Sometimes for a landscape I like to do multi-shot panoramas using a tripod [although it can be done hand-held]. To me it is the ideal walking around lens because of its versatility.

I do like to shoot wildlife, and recently bought the Nikon 200-500mm lens. It does not have a pro build, but has good reviews for performance, and I figure if I go out and it rains, I will use a rain sleeve! [My 70-300mm does not have enough reach for some of the photos I like to take.] If you do want added reach, I would recommend the Nikon 200-500 or the Sigma 150-600 Sport version. Either of these will provide more reach and not be mostly overlapping what you already own.

Hope this helps.

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Feb 18, 2019 14:26:13   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
bkwaters wrote:
I strongly disagree with all of those who recommend against using a DX lens on a FX body. This advice is especially wrong for the D850 and Z7. Most of us never make large prints. The extra resolution of full frame is only useful if images are extensively cropped or printed to large sizes. Of course, using DX lenses reduces the ability to blur the background, but with long zooms this is often not an issue.

DX lenses are lighter, cheaper and optically adequate for most uses if one is not a pro photographer.

I've attached a picture from my under $400 Nikon AF-P VR 70-300 DX on a Z6. I am not a bird photographer and this was shot quickly this past weekend in my backyard, so from an artistic perspective it's not a good picture, but technically the camera and lens did a great job.
I strongly disagree with all of those who recommen... (show quote)


You are only using about 10MP with your Z6. Look at the download and you will see there is little feather detail despite oversharpening. At least that is my guess as to cause of the fringe.

I went ahead and got the FX AF-P 70-300. It is as good on my Z6 as my DX one is on my D5600. I considered selling the DX one because the FX one works fine onthe D5600 but the DX one weighs half as much as the FX one.

My 200-500 is better on both for birds.

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Feb 18, 2019 14:33:16   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
xt2 wrote:
This isn't a race! On a D850 why would you put a DX lens with much less aperture? It seems counter-productive.

Cheers!


DX lenses have same aperture as FX lenses of same mm. It is the image area that changes.

The are at least three reasons to use a DX lens on an FX camera. They are cheaper. They are lighter. You might have one covering a mm range that you don’t have an FX lens for.

The D850 enables at least five image areas, all with plenty of MP for a large image. Some DX lenses will vignette and others not much at least over part of zoom range.

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Feb 18, 2019 14:59:48   #
JeffDavidson Loc: Originally Detroit Now Los Angeles
 
I agree with CHG Canon. You are getting or have a D850 and your considering a "weak link."

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Feb 18, 2019 15:33:52   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
alexskoz wrote:
Thank you all for your feedback! I'll stick with my 70-200mm!


Alex...The 70-200mm is a beast. Another lens that you might want to add to your collection is the 24-70mm f2.8 (non-vr) which is much lighter. On our trip to Santa Fe and Taos a couple of years ago it didn't come off my D800. You might want to check for used copies as well and save some money. B&H and other reputable dealers will grade the copies that they sell so that you know what you're getting. Of course, you should also have a 50mm f1.8D in your collection. Other primes to consider would be the 20mm or 18mm for wide angle. For landscape the 20mm should suffice.

Don't give up on the 28-300. Pair it with a suitable crop camera like the D7200 and you have an excellent combination. It will give you the field of view of 42-450 which certainly can come in handy on vacation and certain events. I have been able to crop photos with my version quite nicely. BTW....everybody needs a crop camera!!

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Feb 18, 2019 20:03:57   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
CO wrote:
I would only use the DX 18-300mm on a DX sensor Nikon like my D500 or D7000.

It sounds like you want a shorter focal length range for your sunrise and sunset photos. Check out the Nikon 24-70mm AF-S f/2.8 or Tamron's new 24-70mm f/2.8 G2 lens. The Tamron is fully weather sealed and gets great reviews. You'll have the large f/2.8 maximum aperture that will help for low light shots.


I have seen reviews saying the Tamron is slightly better. I believe ( but don't quote me on this ) it's about $500 cheaper also.
If you Go for the newer Nikon 24-70 , get the g non vr version.

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Feb 18, 2019 21:57:48   #
Bullfrog Bill Loc: CT
 
Are you kidding? A $3000 camera and a $300 lens?

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Feb 19, 2019 00:11:59   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
alexskoz wrote:
Thank you all for your feedback! I'll stick with my 70-200mm!


If you want a good wide angle lens for landscapes but don't want to spend a fortune the Tamron 24-70 is a great lens and is currently for sale in the Buy/Sell forum, I think that maybe you could negotiate a price. Or.... I have a Sigma 20mm f/1.4 that is not for sale but I can tell you that it is an extraordinary lens that would blow you away on that 45mp camera. I shoot mine with both 30mp and 50mp cameras and it is an incredibly sharp lens. It too sells used for about $700 and can sometimes be found at the Sigma Outlet where they sell their refurbished lenses but they do not currently have one listed.

Here is the link to the Tamron G2 24-70, and excellent lens rivaling the Nikon equivalent and a much better price.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-578851-1.html

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