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Feb 16, 2019 17:22:13   #
CO
 
MegTee wrote:
Hi y'all,

i did a location visit for a potential client and i took this shot with my canon eos rebel T5 (not much i know).
my question is ; based on this shot where would be the ideal place to my subject for the best composition as well as exposure?
thank you for your time


I noticed that you used a Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II lens at 18mm. When you get your client there try to avoid wide angle settings. Practically all zoom lenses that start at wide angle settings have a lot of barrel distortion at the wide end. I looked up that lens on LensTip.com. It has -3.52% barrel distortion at 18mm and only 0.40% at 35mm and 55mm. Try to use at least a 30mm focal length.

-3.52% barrel distortion at 18mm
-3.52% barrel distortion at 18mm...

Only -0.40% distortion at 30mm and 55mm (very low)
Only -0.40% distortion at 30mm and 55mm (very low)...

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Feb 16, 2019 17:58:12   #
photogeneralist Loc: Lopez Island Washington State
 
A lot depends on what your subject is. BUT assuming that your subject is a person, and that the camera placement /lens etc has previously been agreed to with the clients and is as shown in your posting, I 'd think that just outside the circle between the "V's" closest to the blue mark on the circle. might be a good place for a person. But be careful, Don't let the background become pictorially more important than the subject. The subject should be a bright color that will stand out from the far far too busy background. Perhaps you could use limited DOF (Bokeh) to partially blur the background while still leaving enough.
detail for a sense of place. Given the constraints you seem to have set, it's difficult for me to imagine a satisfactory end result. If though, the subject placement is not locked and the lens, perspective etc. is still flexible then I'd say the subject placement depends on the gender/ age etc of your client and what you want your photographs to say about them. A male artist would be posed in a different part of the scene and from a different angle with a different lens than would a teen girls graduation photo, But that's just my thoughts on it. (Other's Mileage May Vary)

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Feb 16, 2019 22:18:07   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
MegTee wrote:
Hi y'all,

i did a location visit for a potential client and i took this shot with my canon eos rebel T5 (not much i know).
my question is ; based on this shot where would be the ideal place to my subject for the best composition as well as exposure?
thank you for your time



You have a lot of wasted space in the image. Look at all the sky. Unless you're going for an special composition, in a portrait, the subject should fill most of the frame. I would seat the subject on the edge of the sculpture enclosure in a position that doesn't block the birds. Then walk in and get MUCH closer. There is no single formula for subject placement. I suggest you experiment with different positions. A professional would do the same. I have attached an example of a portrait in which the subjects fill the frame, and one with more space with the subject off-center to achieve the composition
I was going for. Hope this helps.

Good luck! >Alan





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Feb 16, 2019 23:13:01   #
williejoha
 
Way to busy. Your subject will get lost in the picture unless you cut down on the frame.IMHO
WJH

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Feb 28, 2019 09:42:17   #
MegTee Loc: Mesa Arizona
 
thank you for the suggestion. will keep that in mind. if i were to photograph a client on this spot, where would be a good spot to place them. also would i need to blurr out most of the background for that shot?


MegTee wrote:
Hi y'all,

i did a location visit for a potential client and i took this shot with my canon eos rebel T5 (not much i know).
my question is ; based on this shot where would be the ideal place to my subject for the best composition as well as exposure?
thank you for your time

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Feb 28, 2019 09:46:27   #
MegTee Loc: Mesa Arizona
 
repleo wrote:
A couple of thoughts:

Try the screen over by the lightpole as a backdrop for a head / head and shoulders shot with plenty of separation.

Try under the pergola if the sun is bright and you need a diffused light. Watch out for patchy shadows. If the sun is bright, see if you can use hard shadows from the slats for some drama or direction.

Use the curly cue columns as a prop to lean or sit against or try shooting though one of them.

Have the subject stand on the bench and shoot up through the slats or curly cue columns.

Get down low and see if you can get a starburst backlight through the pergola - try f16 or f22.

I think the geese sculture is too interesting in itself. It will distract from the subject unless you can think of a way to have have the subject relate to it. Maybe a reflection of the subject on the water?

Post some of your efforts here afterwards.

Good luck!!!
A couple of thoughts: br br Try the screen over b... (show quote)


awesome suggestions here, will definitely try them. thank you. i agree the geese sculpture is distracting option and i've been trying to think of how i could work it with subject. i like your idea. will be posting the shots soon!

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Feb 28, 2019 09:47:53   #
MegTee Loc: Mesa Arizona
 
orrie smith wrote:
Personally, I would take the shot with the geese at a side angle, putting the structure in the background. If I was going specifically for the geese, I would take from the angle you took, but I would get in close enough to take the background structure out of the photo. Also straighten and level the horizon. With some post processing, should look good with both of these compositions, as you do not have much to work with.


Hi orrie smith, thank you for the suggestion. will keep that in mind. if i were to photograph a client on the suggested spot would i need to blurr out most of the background for that shot?

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Feb 28, 2019 09:51:16   #
MegTee Loc: Mesa Arizona
 
[quote=sueyeisert]0Using the whole screen the person will be small. Also it’s very distracting that your scene
needs to be straightened.[/quote

thank you for your response. i would be using elements from the scene here for portrait shots. would like suggestions on how to style the shot using these elements, not neccessarily the entire scene. for example the geese structure, what shots can i achieve with the client using this without it being distracting?

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Feb 28, 2019 09:53:28   #
MegTee Loc: Mesa Arizona
 
CO wrote:
I found images for that sculpture online. How about if you shot with the lake as a background? Maybe place your client standing under the structure, at the end of the sidewalk close to the edge of the water, or sitting on the edge of the fountain?


oh thank you CO! love the ideas and will try them. what can i do to get rid of the shadows from the roof bars? will an off camera flash work or a continuous light source?

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Feb 28, 2019 09:57:51   #
MegTee Loc: Mesa Arizona
 
camerapapi wrote:
Are you confused by now? When a question such as yours is asked the question will get many answers and that could be confusing. I am going to understand that your subject is a person that you plan on posing for the shot.
If that is the case you do not need lots of background unless the person insists on it. Since the most important subject is the person that will be posing coming closer to your subject makes for a more personal portrait. I like the instructions given to you by CO and I am sure those instructions in your case will work to perfection. Notice how he has simplified the shot.
Good luck with your portrait and remember to keep the horizon level.
Are you confused by now? When a question such as y... (show quote)


thank you so much for your comment! yes i really appreciate CO's simplified options, really works. on the contrary i'm not confused at all by the responses. they've broadened my styling options and also taught me crucial tips for viewing locations differently! that was the whole point of the question, more knowledge.

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Feb 28, 2019 10:02:01   #
MegTee Loc: Mesa Arizona
 
CO wrote:
I noticed that you used a Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II lens at 18mm. When you get your client there try to avoid wide angle settings. Practically all zoom lenses that start at wide angle settings have a lot of barrel distortion at the wide end. I looked up that lens on LensTip.com. It has -3.52% barrel distortion at 18mm and only 0.40% at 35mm and 55mm. Try to use at least a 30mm focal length.


again, an interesting suggestion, would never have thought of it until now. i've learnt something valuable with that. thanks alot!

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Feb 28, 2019 10:07:24   #
MegTee Loc: Mesa Arizona
 
photogeneralist wrote:
A lot depends on what your subject is. BUT assuming that your subject is a person, and that the camera placement /lens etc has previously been agreed to with the clients and is as shown in your posting, I 'd think that just outside the circle between the "V's" closest to the blue mark on the circle. might be a good place for a person. But be careful, Don't let the background become pictorially more important than the subject. The subject should be a bright color that will stand out from the far far too busy background. Perhaps you could use limited DOF (Bokeh) to partially blur the background while still leaving enough.
detail for a sense of place. Given the constraints you seem to have set, it's difficult for me to imagine a satisfactory end result. If though, the subject placement is not locked and the lens, perspective etc. is still flexible then I'd say the subject placement depends on the gender/ age etc of your client and what you want your photographs to say about them. A male artist would be posed in a different part of the scene and from a different angle with a different lens than would a teen girls graduation photo, But that's just my thoughts on it. (Other's Mileage May Vary)
A lot depends on what your subject is. BUT assum... (show quote)


good suggestions thank you very much. the client is a male high school senior who wants creative shots done, these are not for the school's year book, his mum is having these for the family

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Feb 28, 2019 10:09:57   #
MegTee Loc: Mesa Arizona
 
aellman wrote:
You have a lot of wasted space in the image. Look at all the sky. Unless you're going for an special composition, in a portrait, the subject should fill most of the frame. I would seat the subject on the edge of the sculpture enclosure in a position that doesn't block the birds. Then walk in and get MUCH closer. There is no single formula for subject placement. I suggest you experiment with different positions. A professional would do the same. I have attached an example of a portrait in which the subjects fill the frame, and one with more space with the subject off-center to achieve the composition
I was going for. Hope this helps.

Good luck! >Alan
You have a lot of wasted space in the image. Look ... (show quote)


good suggestions, i love em! for the subject beside the bird option, would it be good to blur the bird a bit?i dont see how it wont draw eyes away from the subject if placed in focus.

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Feb 28, 2019 10:32:51   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
MegTee wrote:
good suggestions thank you very much. the client is a male high school senior who wants creative shots done, these are not for the school's year book, his mum is having these for the family


OK. Now we know the subject. You will probably want to "blur" the background for a portrait shot. What lenses are you working with? Do you have reflectors or an off camera flash? Do you have a tripod? Do you have a remote trigger? Does the client want tight head shots, full body shots or 3/4 shots, or perhaps all of the above? Will there be a change of outfits? How long will you have for the shoot?

For starter questions.

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Feb 28, 2019 10:45:48   #
MegTee Loc: Mesa Arizona
 
dsmeltz wrote:
OK. Now we know the subject. You will probably want to "blur" the background for a portrait shot. What lenses are you working with? Do you have reflectors or an off camera flash? Do you have a tripod? Do you have a remote trigger? Does the client want tight head shots, full body shots or 3/4 shots, or perhaps all of the above? Will there be a change of outfits? How long will you have for the shoot?

For starter questions.


thank you for your input, find responses to the questions asked below;

*canon T5 EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II Lens Kit is what i used for the shot. will be renting a more appropriate lens for the shoot. any suggestions?
*reflectors, flash, trigger will be rented. suggestions also welcomed
*tripod i have
* 2 outfit changes
*mix of all 3 type of shots
*i reckon i can do the shoot in 2hrs or less. i work fast especially if i plan ahead and know what i need

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