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Feb 14, 2019 22:53:37   #
Grampy Jack Loc: Arizona
 
I am still in the initial phase of getting to know my new Z6 so this may turn out to be
no problem. I find the EVF very frustrating in low light situations where I am using a flash. The EVF sees what the sensor sees which is essentially nothing, so composing the shot is difficult at best. I never encountered this with an optical view finder in low light.
Also, I do a lot of close up work where I want to essentially black out the background by using an aperture of f16 or higher and using the off camera flash to control where and how much light I want. Now it seems I have to compose at f4, focus and then set my aperture to f16+. Like I said, there may be an easier work around than I have discovered.
Other than that I love the camera the rest of the time.

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Feb 14, 2019 23:27:06   #
PixelStan77 Loc: Vermont/Chicago
 
Grampy Jack wrote:
I am still in the initial phase of getting to know my new Z6 so this may turn out to be
no problem. I find the EVF very frustrating in low light situations where I am using a flash. The EVF sees what the sensor sees which is essentially nothing, so composing the shot is difficult at best. I never encountered this with an optical view finder in low light.
Also, I do a lot of close up work where I want to essentially black out the background by using an aperture of f16 or higher and using the off camera flash to control where and how much light I want. Now it seems I have to compose at f4, focus and then set my aperture to f16+. Like I said, there may be an easier work around than I have discovered.
Other than that I love the camera the rest of the time.
I am still in the initial phase of getting to know... (show quote)
Create some awesome images with your new Z6. I am heading to Arizona March 1 and if I see someone shooting with a Z6, I will ask is your name Jack?

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Feb 14, 2019 23:56:58   #
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Grampy Jack wrote:
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I find the EVF very frustrating in low light situations where I
am using a flash. The EVF sees what the sensor sees which
is essentially nothing, so composing the shot is difficult at
best. I never encountered this with an optical view finder in
low light. ......


Classic and common noobie problem with live view. You prolly
have "constant preview" enabled. The feature name may vary
from brand to brand ... but turn it off. It should be in a menu
for monitor info and stuff like that.

Don't feel dumb. Very common thing.

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Feb 15, 2019 02:06:02   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Grampy Jack wrote:
I am still in the initial phase of getting to know my new Z6 so this may turn out to be
no problem. I find the EVF very frustrating in low light situations where I am using a flash. The EVF sees what the sensor sees which is essentially nothing, so composing the shot is difficult at best. I never encountered this with an optical view finder in low light.
Also, I do a lot of close up work where I want to essentially black out the background by using an aperture of f16 or higher and using the off camera flash to control where and how much light I want. Now it seems I have to compose at f4, focus and then set my aperture to f16+. Like I said, there may be an easier work around than I have discovered.
Other than that I love the camera the rest of the time.
I am still in the initial phase of getting to know... (show quote)
You do not need such small aperture for darkening the background or rendering it in just black, you can use any aperture (depending of the DOF you like). To get the background that dark, is usually done with the shutter speed!

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Feb 15, 2019 05:12:50   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
User ID wrote:
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Classic and common noobie problem with live view. You prolly
have "constant preview" enabled. The feature name may vary
from brand to brand ... but turn it off. It should be in a menu
for monitor info and stuff like that.

Don't feel dumb. Very common thing.

.


Hopefully, this is the solution, try page 295 of the Z6 manual for manually setting the monitor brightness. Another idea is to up the ISO for purposes of focusing and then drop back down for image capture. Also as noted in another comment, a faster shutter speed will lessen the light reaching the sensor, check your flash model and the Z6 manual for a highspeed sync faster than 1/200 default for the Z6. Small apertures beyond f/11 tend to be detrimental to digital photography due to diffraction, a characteristic that can overwhelm the depth of field benefit of a smaller aperture. High quality macro lenses show this diffraction characteristic less often than general purposes lenses.

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Feb 15, 2019 06:13:57   #
TSHDGTL
 
Custom Settings menu, d8 apply settings to live view.

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Feb 15, 2019 06:56:35   #
CO
 
TSHDGTL wrote:
Custom Settings menu, d8 apply settings to live view.


D8 is it. I rented the Z6 for two weeks recently. I had the same issue when setting exposure for studio photography using a strobe. I put the camera in manual mode, take light meter readings from the strobe light, and enter those settings into the camera. That results in a dark viewfinder. Set menu option D8 to off. You will get a brighter viewfinder.

Also menu option D5 is how you switch between electronic and mechanical shutter.

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Feb 15, 2019 07:08:38   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
PixelStan77 wrote:
...I will ask is your name Jack?


Obviously, his name is Jack. Grampy Jack. (I just watched a couple of James Bond films)

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Feb 15, 2019 08:16:30   #
brian43053 Loc: Buffalo, NY
 
Grampy Jack wrote:
I am still in the initial phase of getting to know my new Z6 so this may turn out to be
no problem. I find the EVF very frustrating in low light situations where I am using a flash. The EVF sees what the sensor sees which is essentially nothing, so composing the shot is difficult at best. I never encountered this with an optical view finder in low light.
Also, I do a lot of close up work where I want to essentially black out the background by using an aperture of f16 or higher and using the off camera flash to control where and how much light I want. Now it seems I have to compose at f4, focus and then set my aperture to f16+. Like I said, there may be an easier work around than I have discovered.
Other than that I love the camera the rest of the time.
I am still in the initial phase of getting to know... (show quote)


i have a sony mirrorless and there's a setiing in the menu that allows you to see what you see thru the EVF - not what the sensor sees. I would imagine your Z6 has something similar.

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Feb 15, 2019 08:17:33   #
TSHDGTL
 
Wonder if that can be included in i-menu if you use flash often?

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Feb 15, 2019 08:31:37   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Grampy Jack wrote:
I am still in the initial phase of getting to know my new Z6 so this may turn out to be
no problem. I find the EVF very frustrating in low light situations where I am using a flash. The EVF sees what the sensor sees which is essentially nothing, so composing the shot is difficult at best. I never encountered this with an optical view finder in low light.
Also, I do a lot of close up work where I want to essentially black out the background by using an aperture of f16 or higher and using the off camera flash to control where and how much light I want. Now it seems I have to compose at f4, focus and then set my aperture to f16+. Like I said, there may be an easier work around than I have discovered.
Other than that I love the camera the rest of the time.
I am still in the initial phase of getting to know... (show quote)


Use a calibrated light meter if you want accurate factors. The Z6, from my experience, is an excellent low light- high ISO camera. One of my first test images was a handheld interior garage image without flash at 10,000 ISO. It knocked my socks off at how noise free it was. Tests I have read about claims that it rivals the Nikon D5 for being noise free until you go to the advanced ISO range.

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Feb 15, 2019 09:13:19   #
aflundi Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
As already mentioned, custom setting d8 is your answer.

I might add though that if the speedlight or transmitter you attach to the hotshoe is detectable by the camera (which means it uses more than just the manual center pin), the camera will automatically turn d8 off while attached. Thus, you might consider upgrading your flash/transmitter to something HSS and/or TTL capable. I know the Godox and FlashpointR2 HSS/TTL systems do the auto switch.

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Feb 15, 2019 09:57:02   #
Grampy Jack Loc: Arizona
 
Thanks to everyone who responded I now have some new paths to explore.
I sincerely appreciate the suggestions.
Jack, Grampy Jack. 🙂

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Feb 15, 2019 10:26:26   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Reserve a function button for high ISO.

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Feb 15, 2019 10:36:44   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Grampy Jack wrote:
I am still in the initial phase of getting to know my new Z6 so this may turn out to be
no problem. I find the EVF very frustrating in low light situations where I am using a flash. The EVF sees what the sensor sees which is essentially nothing, so composing the shot is difficult at best. I never encountered this with an optical view finder in low light.
Also, I do a lot of close up work where I want to essentially black out the background by using an aperture of f16 or higher and using the off camera flash to control where and how much light I want. Now it seems I have to compose at f4, focus and then set my aperture to f16+. Like I said, there may be an easier work around than I have discovered.
Other than that I love the camera the rest of the time.
I am still in the initial phase of getting to know... (show quote)


It is just a matter of settings. One of the advantages of EVF is you can take pictures at night and see exactly what is in the frame. The EVF makes a great "night vision" tool. However you have to change the setting on the EVF to constant brightness rather than live exposure view (my nomenclature, maybe called different things in the manual). That will solve both problems you mention.

You might want to take a look at the article at the following link:
https://fstoppers.com/education/how-wrong-evf-settings-can-make-flash-photography-mirrorless-cameras-difficult-332048

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