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Feb 13, 2019 12:59:22   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
imagemeister wrote:
An interesting subject - especially for us older film era users ! IMO, today, medium and large format film would/should provide the most attraction for film shooting. Thanks for posting/sharing....

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Thank you Larry! I might have listed the intended subject at this end of this post given I'd draft all 5-parts already. Today I have a small survey of color film as part II, b&w is part III, and then back to some image to image comparison of film to digital. There's some summary thoughts at the end of IV based on the several images and comparisons presented.

I don't see myself moving further into film beyond 35mm. I've seen some unbelievably detailed large format film, but high resolution cameras are just as detailed. I'm not really sure why I'm shooting film either ...

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Feb 13, 2019 13:00:45   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
AzPicLady wrote:
While not directed specifically towards film, my comment is about my film cameras. Using film allows me to return to eye-controlled focus Canon was so famous for and ditched. It improves my photography a LOT. It's fast, efficient and seldom fails.


Interesting that after all these years, this technology hasn't made it into digital.

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Feb 13, 2019 13:06:55   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Nice comparison. I'm sticking with digital.

Thanks Jerry! You could say that I am too, sticking with digital. At this point I've probably tried my hand with film for everything I've also done with digital. There's some areas where film will yield something both different and good, but it's really just a hobby within a hobby to mix things up occasionally.

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Feb 13, 2019 13:15:00   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
selmslie wrote:
Among others here, I have never abandoned film.

The problem with comparisons is that there are too many variables involved, not the least of which is the factor limiting affordable digital, the format. This is especially true for B&W where even full frame digital is handicapped by the Bayer array.

At 24x36 digital starts to get expensive even if it has an edge in resolution and ease of use. But above that size, film comes into its own.

Two aspects of film photography that are often overlooked: film is more fun and film is more challenging.

Consider the difference between crossing a bay on a nice summer day. A motorboat will get you there in a hurry but a sailboat will be a lot more fun and more of a challenge to all of your skills. There is a lot of satisfaction to be gained from accomplishing something that most people cannot do.
Among others here, I have never abandoned film. br... (show quote)

I agree the comparisons of digital to film border on nonsensical, particularly my work that is edited further once converted to the digital format. Other than some B&W conversion, I haven't spent any time trying to 'create' a film look from digital. I wouldn't want to add grain to a digital image after working so hard to remove noise, even if those are two different concepts. My preferred films are those with the finest grain that tend to be more digital-like already. What I can't do with film is shoot as freely, so it becomes a very purposeful decision to use film instead of digital.

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Feb 13, 2019 13:27:08   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
camerapapi wrote:
Nothing can offer a better discipline to the photographer than using film. We will know what we did when the film is developed in marked contrast to digital when we have an immediate feedback and a histogram for guidance. While with film we are more selective of what we shoot because it is more expensive with digital we tend to shoot the hell out of everything we see. After all, digital is practically free.
For more discipline use slide film with its contracted dynamic range. Exposures have to be right on and what we see is what we get.
Monochrome film is a different story. It is important to figure out the actual speed of the film and it is important to arrive at the right development for the bright areas that preserves the shadow areas. This only happens with testing and that takes time.
Today film is not readily available. It is more expensive than ever to buy it and have it developed and scanned. Scans gain in grain and contrast (my experience) but those color negatives are flexible enough when we edit.
I love the tonalities in both, b&w and color negative film. I love the dynamic range. I still see tonalities with film that I cannot see with digital but that is me.
When it comes to sharpness and super enlargements film is hard to beat. Nothing comes close to a 4x5 negative for those enlargements. Film is indeed sharp although many of them are grainy.
Film and digital will get us the image we want although as has been said they are different medias.
Nothing can offer a better discipline to the photo... (show quote)


William, I haven't found film to be "so sharp" by way of comparison to 24MP or high resolution digital, at least not at the 35mm sized frame. Granted, looking at scans rather than print to print is the more accurate comparison, but I don't have the facility to do that comparison. What I am seeing is the somewhat different out of focus backgrounds of film that seem "softer" than digital in a more creamy, dream-like and pleasing sense. For one such example, see the background of the final car emblem image of the part II post. The sunflower image of pending part III shows a level of detail from TMAX I haven't seen in the other film types where maybe I should work with TMAX more often in 2019 to pursue this option. I have a lot of really great TMAX images, but for whatever reason, I've been more Ilford and Tri-X of late.

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Feb 13, 2019 13:30:30   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
foathog wrote:
this may be a stupid observation but some of the best shots I have ever seen on film were transparencies (slides). And slides were meant to be projected.

My introduction to photography was the slide shows of my father's travels. But, I can only speak from the now faded memories as the overhead projection of any type of image is a rarity.

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Feb 13, 2019 14:26:23   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
rmalarz wrote:
Paul, I've never left film. Though, I shoot mostly black and white when shooting film. In addition, the majority of what I post is done using large format. Admittedly, there are things that I can do with film that are not possible with digital, and vice versa. I'm not one to claim one is better than the other, just different.
--Bob

Hey Bob, I need the "quantity" of digital where I also find the "quality" at 35mm full-frame to now be on the side of digital, at least for the shareable equipment I use and the fast-action situations I shoot. I've seen amazing work from large format, but probably just one remaining 35mm film camera will be all that I need to satisfy my film urges going forward.

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Feb 13, 2019 14:27:01   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
gessman wrote:
Sure. No problem and my apologies if it appeared I was trying to hijack your thread. I appreciate your effort in offering and discussing this comparison. I evidently mistakenly thought it might be useful for some of our less experienced members if the subject was broadened slightly to further compare and contrast the two mediums while we are on the subject, particularly since Bob introduced an element of mystery that could stand some clarification by way of a couple of the most glaring examples of how one medium offers benefit over the other since they both lead to the production of the same thing - an image.
Sure. No problem and my apologies if it appeared ... (show quote)

Hey gessman, my point was yes, to derail a hijacking before it got started .... But, the idea of putting together this string of posts was to encourage those interested in film. And if similar presentations are made to demonstrate the results, they should start as unique threads to be seen and enjoyed by the widest audience.

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Feb 15, 2019 16:12:50   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Hey gessman, my point was yes, to derail a hijacking before it got started .... But, the idea of putting together this string of posts was to encourage those interested in film. And if similar presentations are made to demonstrate the results, they should start as unique threads to be seen and enjoyed by the widest audience.


Got it. In my haste to get around to everything I want to see from the digest, I often pop threads open without even reading the title which was the case in this instance, hence I missed the "Part 1" in the title and didn't notice in the opening comments that there were going to be more posts to follow so my bad completely but I really didn't have any intentions of hijacking your series.

Sometimes though, if something is going to be followed up on such as Bob's comment, it almost has to be done on the spot because if done later in a separate thread it can look like you're "calling someone out" when all you really want is an explanation that will shed some light on something a person has just said and "on the spot" is often the only way to be effective with getting clarification. Again, my apologies.

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