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Feb 10, 2019 08:31:40   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Its not a Nikon thing. Each and every camera and lens manufacturer now has MAP pricing policies.
This started almost 10 years ago when the industry recognized the problem of huge retailers getting huge quantity discounts and selling products at hundreds of dollars below small dealers lower buying power costs. This decimated the small stores all over the country and caused thousands of them to fold because they could not compete pricewise with the big New York catalog stores and the internet discounters.
MAP pricing set a solid selling point for ALL authorized dealers and the dealer discount that is still tied to quantities ordered assures EVERYONE makes at least a slight profit. The profits get MUCH bigger depending on the quantities ordered. But high volume NYC dealers can make upwards of 35% on cameras and lenses while small mom and pop stores are given a minimum 6% profit. Which leaves very little margin if the credit card that is used to pay for that camera charges 4%.
Its not a Nikon thing. Each and every camera and l... (show quote)


Sounds to me like the new owner of your local camera store is well educated in double talk and obfuscation.

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Feb 10, 2019 08:56:19   #
al13
 
Very sad what has happened to the locally owned stores. There is only one true camera store In the Metro Nashville, TN area which has a population of almost 2,000,000 people. They are a great store for purchasing equipment with a knowledgeable staff but have had to downsize over the past 15 years. Our local Best Buys have the new “Camera Store” staffed with in-house trained employees. Need I say anymore.

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Feb 10, 2019 09:00:00   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Yes, that's correct. If you see a lower price, then it is gray market - not imported by Nikon USA, and it will not be serviced by Nikon in this country. Having the same legitimate price at all dealers make buying easier. Dealers might compete by offering a "bundle" of thing you may not really want to sweeten the deal.

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Feb 10, 2019 09:29:05   #
wrangler5 Loc: Missouri
 
It's not just cameras. I bought a couple of Canon Pro 10 printers a few years ago (they had a terrific sale price at my local store the day I wandered in, and I always like to have a backup printer, so . . . ). When I went to buy ink I found that EVERYbody sold the Canon brand ink cartridges at the same price - local camera store, Amazon, online camera stores and Canon USA web site. Local store charged sales tax, everybody else included free shipping, BUT - Canon also threw in free paper if you bought 3 or more carts. (I figured that printing all the "free" paper they gave me would always take more ink than I had ordered, so it was just a scheme to sell more ink. Modern retail, I guess. In any event, I now have ~400 sheets of Canon 13x19 paper that I'll probably never use (who can afford the ink?), but I sure saved a lot of money on it.

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Feb 10, 2019 10:44:37   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Tea8 wrote:
So I'm feeling like I might be a bit out of the loop and I figured those of you here might know. Does Nikon still have it's price lock or fixed price thing where pretty much no matter what you're buying of theirs it's going to cost the same, or right at about the same, at every place? (Unless you're getting a grey market item that is.)

When I purchased my D5200 several years ago it didn't matter where I bought it it cost pretty much the same at the store versus purchasing it directly from them, so I supported my local camera store and bought from them. Since then, I haven't purchased any major things and the camera store changed owners. After these long years I am finally getting back into photography again and wanting to expand what glass (lens) I have to shoot with.

My latest interest has been with micro photography and so I headed to my camera store to see what they had in the way of macro lenses to go with my camera. They didn't have anything used in at the moment so I asked about new. The only way that I could purchase a macro lens that day and walk out of the store with it was to purchase it in a two lens set they were selling. It was the 40mm DX micro lens and a 10-20mm DX lens. The guy at the store told me that if I purchased them together I could save some money and I could leave with both of the lenses that day, whereas they would have to order in just the one lens and I would have to wait on it. He didn't give me the price of the lens individually.

So, this got me to thinking about how much they would be individually and how much it would run if I were going to purchase these lenses directly from Nikon, or at least get an idea of what I would be spending for the one lens I want. Come to find out, even before taxes, it's $75 cheaper for me to purchase the lenses individually from Nikon than to get them in this set from the store. I get that this is a store and that they have to make money, but when I purchased my camera and the lens it came with the price was the same at the store, maybe $10 more for the kit I purchased, as it was online from them.

So, what's changed? Is there not a price lock anymore? Could it be because the store has changed hands? If you've read this far, thank you so much. I just wanted a little more info before I went out and spent my money because I would like to get a deal if possible so I can get some other gear. (I will be checking back to see if by chance they got anything good in in the used lenses since last week.) The GAS is kicking back in with me and I'm pretty excited.
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The camera manufacturers set the base retail price for any new gear, bar none. When there is a price reduction, it is because the manufacturer said it's OK, and here is how low you can go. This is why many retailers do so many bundles, allows them to make so extra $$, and get rid of stuff that doesn't always sell.

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Feb 10, 2019 11:57:11   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Personally, I would walk out of, and never buy from any vendor of anything that tried to make me buy something I didn't want just to get something I did. Nikon, as well as others, from time to time do have dual lens deals but they usually come with camera bodies. In your case, just order the lens you want, on-line, from any of the Big Boys always mentioned here. Although I do LOVE local shops, Allen's camera in Levittown PA is MY favorite, I would walk out, make that run out, of any store that treated me like that. Best of luck.

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Feb 10, 2019 12:01:28   #
BebuLamar
 
cjc2 wrote:
Personally, I would walk out of, and never buy from any vendor of anything that tried to make me buy something I didn't want just to get something I did. Nikon, as well as others, from time to time do have dual lens deals but they usually come with camera bodies. In your case, just order the lens you want, on-line, from any of the Big Boys always mentioned here. Although I do LOVE local shops, Allen's camera in Levittown PA is MY favorite, I would walk out, make that run out, of any store that treated me like that. Best of luck.
Personally, I would walk out of, and never buy fro... (show quote)


I don't know if you can buy a Nikon D3500 body only.

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Feb 10, 2019 12:48:25   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I don't know if you can buy a Nikon D3500 body only.


Perhaps not Bob, but the OP was talking about a specific lens which is available. Best of luck.

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Feb 10, 2019 12:58:05   #
Tea8 Loc: Where the wind comes sweeping down the plain.
 
Thanks for the info everyone! I looked a little more at the two lens set which Nikon showed on their website. Upon reading the fine print the 10-20mm landscape lens is an AF-P format. The fine print says that it will work with my camera, but would only have limited functions. So, really, there's no point in purchasing that lens at the moment since I don't plan on upgrading my camera body anytime soon. If it's something I want to explore later on when I do then I think I can manage the extra $40 that it will cost me for the purchasing the lenses individually. So, a macro lens it shall be later on ordered from the Nikon website. Thanks again! I've missed getting to see everyone here and I'm looking forward to getting back into this site as well as my photography.

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Feb 10, 2019 13:34:08   #
gmsatty Loc: Chicago IL
 
Many years ago, Sony was well known for price fixing. However, I think due to what might have been a gov't lawsuit, the process was supposedly stopped However a check of Google shows that they were accused ot it again and are working out a settlement. So, price fixing is illegal, but some companies still try it.

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Feb 10, 2019 15:24:22   #
Bill P
 
Mom and pops are soon to be gone. I have a friend that once owned his own B&M store, and wished to sell Nikon. He finally, after along wait, got a rep to take his phone calls, and was told that to be an authorized dealer, he was required to purchase a certain amount of inventory including oddball stuff and obscure accessories. So where I live, to get Nikon stuff, If I want the very bottom end of kits, it's costco, and for higer end stuff its full price at Best Buy. The manufacturers are making their own beds.

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Feb 10, 2019 15:38:40   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Tea8 wrote:
So I'm feeling like I might be a bit out of the loop and I figured those of you here might know. Does Nikon still have it's price lock or fixed price thing where pretty much no matter what you're buying of theirs it's going to cost the same, or right at about the same, at every place? (Unless you're getting a grey market item that is.)

When I purchased my D5200 several years ago it didn't matter where I bought it it cost pretty much the same at the store versus purchasing it directly from them, so I supported my local camera store and bought from them. Since then, I haven't purchased any major things and the camera store changed owners. After these long years I am finally getting back into photography again and wanting to expand what glass (lens) I have to shoot with.

My latest interest has been with micro photography and so I headed to my camera store to see what they had in the way of macro lenses to go with my camera. They didn't have anything used in at the moment so I asked about new. The only way that I could purchase a macro lens that day and walk out of the store with it was to purchase it in a two lens set they were selling. It was the 40mm DX micro lens and a 10-20mm DX lens. The guy at the store told me that if I purchased them together I could save some money and I could leave with both of the lenses that day, whereas they would have to order in just the one lens and I would have to wait on it. He didn't give me the price of the lens individually.

So, this got me to thinking about how much they would be individually and how much it would run if I were going to purchase these lenses directly from Nikon, or at least get an idea of what I would be spending for the one lens I want. Come to find out, even before taxes, it's $75 cheaper for me to purchase the lenses individually from Nikon than to get them in this set from the store. I get that this is a store and that they have to make money, but when I purchased my camera and the lens it came with the price was the same at the store, maybe $10 more for the kit I purchased, as it was online from them.

So, what's changed? Is there not a price lock anymore? Could it be because the store has changed hands? If you've read this far, thank you so much. I just wanted a little more info before I went out and spent my money because I would like to get a deal if possible so I can get some other gear. (I will be checking back to see if by chance they got anything good in in the used lenses since last week.) The GAS is kicking back in with me and I'm pretty excited.
So I'm feeling like I might be a bit out of the lo... (show quote)


Robin - that 40mm Micro Nikkor retails at $279.95 - wherever you buy it. That takes care of THAT.

Now, then … Nikon has a 10-24 UWA-Z. Is that the one you mean? That sells for $896.99 … you can buy a Tamron 10-24 for just $499.

Or, you can pick up the Nikkor 10-20 for $386.95. The Sigma 10-20 sells, currently - for $649 - and is an infinitely better lens.

TBH with you - it pays to shop around. No matter WHAT's offered in a KIT - you're not going to get a better deal than you will, if you buy your desired items, separately. Invariably, the vendor will put in one junk item - it cannot get rid of, any other way. Don't buy ANYTHING - in KIT form. It ain't worth it!!!

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Feb 10, 2019 16:05:30   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Bill P wrote:
Mom and pops are soon to be gone. I have a friend that once owned his own B&M store, and wished to sell Nikon. He finally, after along wait, got a rep to take his phone calls, and was told that to be an authorized dealer, he was required to purchase a certain amount of inventory including oddball stuff and obscure accessories. So where I live, to get Nikon stuff, If I want the very bottom end of kits, it's costco, and for higer end stuff its full price at Best Buy. The manufacturers are making their own beds.
Mom and pops are soon to be gone. I have a friend ... (show quote)

I cannot speak for photographic equipment stores, but I've had two friends over the years who operated retail hobby shops focusing on model railroad equipment and supplies. I know that in that business, their purchase price for almost everything was 60% of the suggested retail price. They did not have any restrictions on what they could sell for, but that gross markup netted them a marginal living income after their overhead and operating expenses.

Hobby manufacturers also required a minimum annual business level, but that was primarily to prevent individuals who were building large railroads from getting a "dealer" designation so that they could buy materials for their railroad at wholesale rather than at something closer to a reasonable retail level.

In the case of becoming a camera dealer, I suspect that the requirement to maintain a minimum level of business is both that and to try to assure that the items are resold in an environment that reflects well on the manufacturer and demonstrates a commitment to and support for the customer.

As I reflect on those camera stores near me that are no longer around, most of them either did not stock or were not interested in ordering items that I might have been interested in or were so unpleasant to deal with that I finally just lost interest in going in, even though they were within 4 miles of my house. No great loss, really. While I now have to drive about 20 miles to my closest store, the folks there know me by name, speak every time I walk in the door, and are anxious to help even if what I need doesn't represent a big sale or large profit for them. They also take time to just visit if the store happens to not be busy.

So yes, in some cases the brick and mortar stores have caused their own fate. But in many cases we as the customer have done it to them by seeking an ever cheaper price. I realize that this is not seen as a problem by many folks (aat least until it is suddenly too late). But it is very sad to me.

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Feb 10, 2019 17:31:46   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I misunderstand your term "Country of Origin" here. I thought country of origin is where the camera is made and for example all Nikon D500 are made in Thailand, gray market or NikonUSA they are all made in Thailand.


Sorry for the confusion. In the text of a "gray market" camera, country of origin is the country is was imported from. So,say you get a gray market camera and it was imported from Israel, and you need warranty service, you will have to send it to Nikon Israel to get it serviced.

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Feb 11, 2019 15:49:22   #
henryp Loc: New York, NY
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Its not a Nikon thing. Each and every camera and lens manufacturer now has MAP pricing policies.

MAP (Min advertised price) has been around for 25+ years. It sets the min adverted price, but not the selling price. Nowadays it also sets how the "real" price can be shared with customers online, etc.

OTOH "unilateral price" sets the min selling price. The SCOTUS 2007 Leegin Creative Leather Products, Inc. v. PSKS, Inc. decision made it legal. I believe Sony USA was among the first to adopt this program, during 2012.

In answer to the OP, yes,. both programs are very much still in operation.

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