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Feb 9, 2019 14:59:08   #
markwilliam1
 
The Minolta AF 100mm f2.8 macro is as good or better than all the other macro lenses listed here. It is all metal construction vs the modern plastic lenses of today. Tokina makes great lenses but I believe they are mostly plastic construction same with Sigma. Give me the incredible build quality of the metal Minolta over plastic Anyday!

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Feb 9, 2019 15:02:38   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
Ditto that Minolta. Great lens! But there are a ton of legacy macro lenses out there and not to mention, extension tubes, fully automatic, on a great prime, will do the trick very inexpensively!

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Feb 9, 2019 15:11:41   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
The issue with shorter length macros is the working distance ... measured from the sensor, not the end of the lens ... gets precariously short.

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Feb 9, 2019 15:12:59   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
SteveG wrote:
Ditto that Minolta. Great lens! But there are a ton of legacy macro lenses out there and not to mention, extension tubes, fully automatic, on a great prime, will do the trick very inexpensively!


Also, if a lens is to be a dedicated macro AF is useless.

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Feb 9, 2019 15:13:51   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
LWW wrote:
The issue with shorter length macros is the working distance ... measured from the sensor, not the end of the lens ... gets precariously short.

Focal length also effects the quality of background blur.



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Feb 9, 2019 15:21:24   #
markwilliam1
 
Totally Agree!
LWW wrote:
Also, if a lens is to be a dedicated macro AF is useless.

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Feb 9, 2019 15:22:43   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
I rarely ever use auto focus for macro. As far as automatic tubes are concerned though, the metering is fully capable

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Feb 9, 2019 15:24:23   #
marty wild Loc: England
 
MechEng wrote:
Hi all. My first topic post so be gentle. I did do a search and saw quit a few macro lens questions but nothing that I recognized as what I am asking here. If I missed it, I apologize.

Anyway, I have become intrigued with macro photography so I have been doing some research and reviewing examples considered by peers as excellent to see what/how the final product was produced but no definitive pattern has emerged that I can see.

I don't have a macro lens....never have. One thing I have noticed is that macro lenses seem to be bunched into two categories as it pertains to speed.......f2.8 and f5-f6.3. I understand that f2.8 has shallow dof and would generally require a lot of pics (at various points of focus) stacked up to achieve the dof I see in the excellent examples. The slower lenses tend to be zoom lenses (but some fast macro lenses are zooms as well) and they give greater dof so you might not need to stack any pics or only a few.

But then I read that some lenses portrayed as macro lenses are really not and I get confused. The primary benefit of macro lenses as I understand it is their superior clarity so it seems like any lens labelled as macro would have some minimum clarity to be qualified as such.

My questions are for anyone that actually does macro photography and are:
1. Other than dof, does either the fast or slow macro lenses have other pros and/or cons I should be aware of?
2. Are there any lenses labelled as macro I should steer clear of? (I am not looking at bargain basement here.....let's assume I would spend $400 or more.)

Thank you for your time and I hope I didn't waste it.

Andy
Hi all. My first topic post so be gentle. I did ... (show quote)

There a short answer here stay clear from multi lens they tend do close ups. they are good but not true macro. I have a 105 at f2.8. I just right for my drop collision images. I have yet to try focus stacking

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Feb 9, 2019 15:26:24   #
marty wild Loc: England
 
Please help me out with the images are they classed as macro or close up?
Blurryeyed wrote:
Focal length also effects the quality of background blur.

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Feb 9, 2019 15:34:55   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
Curious, why do you say a dedicated macro is useless for auto focus? I have the Olympus 60mm macro and auto focus works quite well, when I use it.

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Feb 9, 2019 15:35:53   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
MechEng wrote:
Hi all. My first topic post so be gentle. I did do a search and saw quit a few macro lens questions but nothing that I recognized as what I am asking here. If I missed it, I apologize.

Anyway, I have become intrigued with macro photography so I have been doing some research and reviewing examples considered by peers as excellent to see what/how the final product was produced but no definitive pattern has emerged that I can see.

I don't have a macro lens....never have. One thing I have noticed is that macro lenses seem to be bunched into two categories as it pertains to speed.......f2.8 and f5-f6.3. I understand that f2.8 has shallow dof and would generally require a lot of pics (at various points of focus) stacked up to achieve the dof I see in the excellent examples. The slower lenses tend to be zoom lenses (but some fast macro lenses are zooms as well) and they give greater dof so you might not need to stack any pics or only a few.

But then I read that some lenses portrayed as macro lenses are really not and I get confused. The primary benefit of macro lenses as I understand it is their superior clarity so it seems like any lens labelled as macro would have some minimum clarity to be qualified as such.

My questions are for anyone that actually does macro photography and are:
1. Other than dof, does either the fast or slow macro lenses have other pros and/or cons I should be aware of?
2. Are there any lenses labelled as macro I should steer clear of? (I am not looking at bargain basement here.....let's assume I would spend $400 or more.)

Thank you for your time and I hope I didn't waste it.

Andy
Hi all. My first topic post so be gentle. I did ... (show quote)


True macro lenses are capable of 1:1 reproduction on the format for which they are engineered. In other words, they make a life size reproduction on the film or sensor.

Macro lenses are generally NOT zooms, have a fixed aperture, are apochromatic, and are corrected for close use.

The terms 'macro' and 'micro' are thrown around carelessly by manufacturers. Nikon labels its technically MACRO lens 'Micro Nikkor'. Without extension tubes or bellows, however, those lenses don't even record images between 1X and 20X life size! That is the 'Macro' range. Microphotography starts about 20X life size on sensor! And yes, it is typically done with microscopes.

Tamron makes a 28-75mm f/2.8 zoom I'm familiar with that has a 'Macro' mode. It works down to 1:4, or 1/4 life size on sensor. That is technically just a close focusing lens. It works okay in a pinch, but the amount of distortion it adds means you wouldn't want to copy documents or art with it, other than casually.

MOST of what UHH members call Macrophotography is really just closeup photography...

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Feb 9, 2019 15:41:15   #
marty wild Loc: England
 
My macro 105mm hunts all the time in very low light. With your 60 mm being a wider I can only assume more light is coming in. I always use my macro track to fine tune in manual focus.
SteveG wrote:
Curious, why do you say a dedicated macro is useless for auto focus? I have the Olympus 60mm macro and auto focus works quite well, when I use it.

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Feb 9, 2019 15:48:14   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
Well, low light can cause just about any lens to hunt, depending on amount of light on your particular sensor. Having IBIS on my Olympus though, I get pretty good auto focus indoors, under the light of one 60w bulb at 1600 ISO. Maybe your ISO is set too low??

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Feb 9, 2019 15:58:26   #
marty wild Loc: England
 
You could be on to something here, I do keep my focus light on. I can not shoot drop photography any higher the 200 iso because the way I am set up. The flash stops the action! My shutter is open for 3 seconds thats why I have to be very low light, but I shall try your why in different shoots thanks
SteveG wrote:
Well, low light can cause just about any lens to hunt, depending on amount of light on your particular sensor. Having IBIS on my Olympus though, I get pretty good auto focus indoors, under the light of one 60w bulb at 1600 ISO. Maybe your ISO is set too low??

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Feb 9, 2019 16:15:19   #
Bill P
 
I have to laugh. I'm old, and have both the Nikon 55 micro and the 105 micro, manual focus from the dark ages. When I bought and used those, nobody, and I mean NOBODY talked about fast lenses producing shallow DOF. We wanted them faster because we would have the advantage of more accurate focusing, and almost never shot photos closer to wide open than f8.


But that's from the days when folks got lenses having a good balance between contrast and sharpness, and produced distinctive photos. Now, everybody is either consumed by how sharp a lens could get, or how the out of focus parts look. Getting old sucks.

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