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Feb 7, 2019 19:48:05   #
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Mostly I use oldies and some of the cheaper
modern lenses that lens snobs would never
touch. But a few well respected lenses have
snuck in, some "L" lenses, a "Super-normal",
etc etc. There is no important difference in
IQ from old to new, from cheap modern to
"Supernormal" or "L". Not denying there IS
some difference if you peep. But it's never
an important difference.

Do I get CA ? Yes, but it's OK. No one cares
except some peepers. Do I have older lower
tech coatings ? Whutz a little flare between
friends, huh ? And why ever did I buy those
few well respected newer lenses ? I wanted
the OIS and the "respect" just came with it !

Some would warn: "When you get a 50MP
camera, you'll find your old lenses useless."

Well I admit to never trying a 50MP camera.
But the warnings about that do come from
that same crowd who warn me to remove
all my UV filters and to avoid high ISO and
to shun small sensors and to sacrifice DoF
cuz small stops cause diffraction. IOW the
50MP worry worts lack any track record of
of credibility. So when someday I'm forced
by lack of options to use 50MP, I definitely
won't be buying any new lenses for it.

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Feb 7, 2019 20:19:24   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Good enough is in the eye of the beholder; in this case it's you that is the beholder and it doesn't matter what others think. Oh, by the way, none of the EXIF shows a sunny 16 rule of exposure. So I'm not sure I am understanding what you meant to say.

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Feb 7, 2019 21:38:20   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
What I miss about the "old" Nikkor lenses that I passed along is the lighter weight. I remember my 105 f2.5 as being very lively and f2.5 is fairly fast at the focal length.

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Feb 7, 2019 22:02:41   #
pesfls Loc: Oregon, USA
 
lamiaceae wrote:
I believe the problem lenses are the Pre-AI ones, really old.


FWIW that’s correct to a large extent. Trying to mount pre Ai lenses can damage most Nikon dslr bodies. But that’s not the case with the Df. It is designed to accept almost all of those legacy lenses. The only caveat is you must set the f stop on the lens ring and then the body electronically so they match as there is no communication between the two whatsoever. I do this often. You must also have that particular lens entered in the menu system and select it befor shooting. But that is not an issue as you simply select that lens as the one you are mounting before use. It’s not a big step. Just pre enter up to 9 early lenses in the menu and then you can turn a dial to the one you are going to use. It works fine and is just one easy extra step.

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Feb 7, 2019 23:10:44   #
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pesfls wrote:
FWIW that’s correct to a large extent. Trying to mount pre Ai lenses can damage most Nikon dslr bodies. But that’s not the case with the Df. It is designed to accept almost all of those legacy lenses. The only caveat is you must set the f stop on the lens ring and then the body electronically so they match as there is no communication between the two whatsoever. I do this often. You must also have that particular lens entered in the menu system and select it befor shooting. But that is not an issue as you simply select that lens as the one you are mounting before use. It’s not a big step. Just pre enter up to 9 early lenses in the menu and then you can turn a dial to the one you are going to use. It works fine and is just one easy extra step.
FWIW that’s correct to a large extent. Trying to ... (show quote)


One little extra step to swap lenses ... shades of early Nikkormat,
which acoarst is more or less what the DF is all about :-)

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Feb 8, 2019 00:24:08   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
camerapapi wrote:
Don't you ask this question ever, especially if you are a young photographer? Well, let me repeat it again, how good a lens do I need?

Modern lenses are sharp enough. There is no way we can compare the technology of modern lenses to what we had when we were shooting film. As far as I am concerned I can categorically say that I NEVER used a lens that failed to do its part when I did mine.
I decided to use some images shot around my neighborhood to illustrate that using good technique any lens will yield the results we expect. Not all true behind those comments that modern, high Mp. cameras cannot do well with old lenses. The D-610 has 24 Mp. but other cameras like the D800 does as well with these lenses.

None of these images were shot with modern lenses. As a matter of fact, the image of the old man walking his dog was made using a 1974 Nikon 50mm f1.4 single coated lens. a primitive lens considering modern multicoated lenses. I did not even use the exposure meter and rather I went with the "sunny 16 rule."
The flowers were shot at ISO 640 with the Nikon 105mm f4 from the ealy 70's, no tripod. The backlighted columns were shot with a Nikon 35mm f2 from the early 80's. All of them old, manual lenses using a Nikon D-610 and ALL of them original JPEG images with minimal manipulation during editing with Photoshop.

So, how good a lens do I need?
Don't you ask this question ever, especially if yo... (show quote)



It's equivalent to asking, "How good a car do I need?" My answer would be, "one that satisfies my driving requirements that I can afford." Problem solved.

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Feb 8, 2019 00:45:13   #
Fotomacher Loc: Toronto
 
I compared a Nikkor 300mm f/4.5 manual focus lens to a Nikkor AFS 300mm f/4 recently. The newer lens had better contrast since it has more modern coatings (easily corrected in post) and is 10x the cost of the older version.

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Feb 8, 2019 03:01:33   #
hookedupin2005 Loc: Northwestern New Mexico
 
camerapapi wrote:
Don't you ask this question ever, especially if you are a young photographer? Well, let me repeat it again, how good a lens do I need?

Modern lenses are sharp enough. There is no way we can compare the technology of modern lenses to what we had when we were shooting film. As far as I am concerned I can categorically say that I NEVER used a lens that failed to do its part when I did mine.
I decided to use some images shot around my neighborhood to illustrate that using good technique any lens will yield the results we expect. Not all true behind those comments that modern, high Mp. cameras cannot do well with old lenses. The D-610 has 24 Mp. but other cameras like the D800 does as well with these lenses.

None of these images were shot with modern lenses. As a matter of fact, the image of the old man walking his dog was made using a 1974 Nikon 50mm f1.4 single coated lens. a primitive lens considering modern multicoated lenses. I did not even use the exposure meter and rather I went with the "sunny 16 rule."
The flowers were shot at ISO 640 with the Nikon 105mm f4 from the ealy 70's, no tripod. The backlighted columns were shot with a Nikon 35mm f2 from the early 80's. All of them old, manual lenses using a Nikon D-610 and ALL of them original JPEG images with minimal manipulation during editing with Photoshop.

So, how good a lens do I need?
Don't you ask this question ever, especially if yo... (show quote)


As good as you require, to satisfy YOUR needs.

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Feb 8, 2019 03:08:31   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
camerapapi wrote:
Don't you ask this question ever, especially if you are a young photographer? Well, let me repeat it again, how good a lens do I need?

Modern lenses are sharp enough. There is no way we can compare the technology of modern lenses to what we had when we were shooting film. As far as I am concerned I can categorically say that I NEVER used a lens that failed to do its part when I did mine.
I decided to use some images shot around my neighborhood to illustrate that using good technique any lens will yield the results we expect. Not all true behind those comments that modern, high Mp. cameras cannot do well with old lenses. The D-610 has 24 Mp. but other cameras like the D800 does as well with these lenses.

None of these images were shot with modern lenses. As a matter of fact, the image of the old man walking his dog was made using a 1974 Nikon 50mm f1.4 single coated lens. a primitive lens considering modern multicoated lenses. I did not even use the exposure meter and rather I went with the "sunny 16 rule."
The flowers were shot at ISO 640 with the Nikon 105mm f4 from the ealy 70's, no tripod. The backlighted columns were shot with a Nikon 35mm f2 from the early 80's. All of them old, manual lenses using a Nikon D-610 and ALL of them original JPEG images with minimal manipulation during editing with Photoshop.

So, how good a lens do I need?
Don't you ask this question ever, especially if yo... (show quote)

Well, that's pretty much a given, those old lenses are not any worse than their modern counterparts, a lot of them beat the newer designs hand down! Some of them are really marvels that do not have equals amongst new lenses!

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Feb 8, 2019 13:08:19   #
billbarcus Loc: IPNW
 
Some of the 'Big Boys' that shoot Nikon look down their noses at the D610. While noted for some issues with focus and oil spots, mine is an exception and I love it. And, a lot of those modern-day Nikon 'Big Boys' probably never even heard of the 'Sunny 16 Rule.' When the batteries died in the older film cameras, we could always keep shooting, whether the sun was shining or not.

Nice shots, camerapapi. Thanks for sharing.

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Feb 8, 2019 17:59:53   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
camerapapi wrote:
Don't you ask this question ever, especially if you are a young photographer? Well, let me repeat it again, how good a lens do I need?

Modern lenses are sharp enough. There is no way we can compare the technology of modern lenses to what we had when we were shooting film. As far as I am concerned I can categorically say that I NEVER used a lens that failed to do its part when I did mine.
I decided to use some images shot around my neighborhood to illustrate that using good technique any lens will yield the results we expect. Not all true behind those comments that modern, high Mp. cameras cannot do well with old lenses. The D-610 has 24 Mp. but other cameras like the D800 does as well with these lenses.

None of these images were shot with modern lenses. As a matter of fact, the image of the old man walking his dog was made using a 1974 Nikon 50mm f1.4 single coated lens. a primitive lens considering modern multicoated lenses. I did not even use the exposure meter and rather I went with the "sunny 16 rule."
The flowers were shot at ISO 640 with the Nikon 105mm f4 from the ealy 70's, no tripod. The backlighted columns were shot with a Nikon 35mm f2 from the early 80's. All of them old, manual lenses using a Nikon D-610 and ALL of them original JPEG images with minimal manipulation during editing with Photoshop.

So, how good a lens do I need?
Don't you ask this question ever, especially if yo... (show quote)


Old glass is very good. It is different from modern glass.
My old Canon lenses some from the 50's do extremely well still.
I use my old FLM 100mm f4 a lot and it is a wonderful and sharp lens.
My 80-200mm L also is excellent as is the 58mm f1.2.
Do these compare to my L glass? No. But they have their own excellent qualities not available in modern glass either.

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Feb 8, 2019 18:30:22   #
MechEng Loc: The Mitten
 
Almostageezer wrote:
There will always be those that must have the latest and greatest. That's fine for them. I don't need the latest and greatest. I just want to make images that make me happy.


Ditto....though I did give my older lenses to my stepson and am building a new lens stable as it were.....just looking for good images that make me happy.....and those are the ones that evoke memories and feelings. My technique is what I am now really working on to get the best results without a lot of post processing.....because I had rather be out taking photos than working on them.

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Feb 8, 2019 18:37:19   #
MechEng Loc: The Mitten
 
Hmmmmm.......this post made me think of something I hadn't even considered..........I have an old Nikkormat from the 70s and, more particularly, a 50mm lens that goes with it. I shoot Canon now but.....I don't have a 'standard' lens so I wonder if maybe it might be worth pairing up..........I will have to go down to the basement and look at it.....haven't seen it in years.

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Feb 8, 2019 18:50:54   #
neh
 
MechEng:

It should work in manual or aperture priority. I have one that is 50mm 2.0 I put a N/Al to EOS adapter ring on and it works fine in my Canon DSLR camera. In fact all of my Nikkormat lenses work with my Canon camera in this way. Pleased to find this out. I too am learning.

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Feb 9, 2019 02:44:30   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
MechEng wrote:
Hmmmmm.......this post made me think of something I hadn't even considered..........I have an old Nikkormat from the 70s and, more particularly, a 50mm lens that goes with it. I shoot Canon now but.....I don't have a 'standard' lens so I wonder if maybe it might be worth pairing up..........I will have to go down to the basement and look at it.....haven't seen it in years.


They work well on your Canon.
I use my old Nikkors from my old F system on my current Canon, They focus to infinity just fine.

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