Lost Dutchman State Park now requires $$$ and Permit for Commercial Photography
Feb 5, 2019 17:12:17 #
Howdy.
Yesterday I went online to get the phone number for LDSP to inquire if anything was in blossom yet before I took the 1 hour drive to get there. When I went to their website I noticed that they now require both an approved permit and $$$ to photograph for commercial usage.
I called the park and was told to talk to the Park Ranger in person, so I did.
I was told the min. cost would be $50.00 for 1 hour.
I told the Ranger no thank you, she did suggest an area I was not aware of that borders the State Park.
Take a right out of the Park and about 5 minutes on the right you will come to a road called "First Water".
It is a dirt road with MANY dips and pot holes, but doable just drive slow!
There is no cost as far as I could see, had great views of and surrounding landscape of Superstition Mountains.
BTW...some flowers are starting to bloom.
Yesterday I went online to get the phone number for LDSP to inquire if anything was in blossom yet before I took the 1 hour drive to get there. When I went to their website I noticed that they now require both an approved permit and $$$ to photograph for commercial usage.
I called the park and was told to talk to the Park Ranger in person, so I did.
I was told the min. cost would be $50.00 for 1 hour.
I told the Ranger no thank you, she did suggest an area I was not aware of that borders the State Park.
Take a right out of the Park and about 5 minutes on the right you will come to a road called "First Water".
It is a dirt road with MANY dips and pot holes, but doable just drive slow!
There is no cost as far as I could see, had great views of and surrounding landscape of Superstition Mountains.
BTW...some flowers are starting to bloom.
Feb 5, 2019 17:13:35 #
Here is the link.
https://d2umhuunwbec1r.cloudfront.net/gallery/0004/0044/EAB8E77FEFB24201944183FDDA733A77/Commercial_Film_Photo%202018b.pdf
https://d2umhuunwbec1r.cloudfront.net/gallery/0004/0044/EAB8E77FEFB24201944183FDDA733A77/Commercial_Film_Photo%202018b.pdf
Feb 5, 2019 17:21:24 #
Did you ask them what " ...in the stream of commerce" meant?
It's ambiguous.
What if I sold a "personal" photo a year later.....
What if you shot to sell?
Maybe that falls under "art".
Seems that personal photography would not be a problem.
Unlike having to have a camera permit to take any pictures on one reservation I visited years ago.
It's ambiguous.
What if I sold a "personal" photo a year later.....
What if you shot to sell?
Maybe that falls under "art".
Seems that personal photography would not be a problem.
Unlike having to have a camera permit to take any pictures on one reservation I visited years ago.
Feb 5, 2019 17:24:05 #
Did you plan to take picture of flowers, or to block off (aka reserve) a section of the trail with a film truck and lighting? Did you read the purpose of the permit, linked above and clipped & highlighted below? Did the purpose and scope of your visit come up in the discussion with the ranger?
Feb 5, 2019 17:45:07 #
I told her I was a landscape photographer with plans to take pictures of flowers, mountains etc.
Just me and a tripod.
She said $50 per hour with an approved permit!
She apologized and said the new rules are non negotiable.
Just me and a tripod.
She said $50 per hour with an approved permit!
She apologized and said the new rules are non negotiable.
Feb 5, 2019 17:51:16 #
jearlwebb wrote:
I told her I was a landscape photographer with plans to take pictures of flowers, mountains etc.
Just me and a tripod.
She said $50 per hour with an approved permit!
She apologized and said the new rules are non negotiable.
Just me and a tripod.
She said $50 per hour with an approved permit!
She apologized and said the new rules are non negotiable.
It would appear she is unfamiliar with the language and stated (published) purpose of the permit requirements. Have a printed copy of the PDF and don't set up your tripod anywhere near the parking lot or high-use trails. You'll have the situation covered if a ranger later arrives while you're shooting. Probably don't drive up to the entrance in a van covered with advertising of a film company nor a backseat full of lighting and three models ...
"Reserve" as referenced twice in just this small portion of the document would seem the key point. If you're not blocking / limiting any use of the park by any other citizen, you can't be characterized as reserving a portion of the park for your own use.
Feb 5, 2019 17:57:34 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
It would appear she is unfamiliar with the languag... (show quote)
What about the "commercial" section.
Feb 5, 2019 18:00:07 #
Longshadow wrote:
What about the "commercial" section.
How would they prove / decide, while standing there in the desert, that the images being captured are for any purpose other than personal non-commercial use? The published language does not say a permit is required simply to use a tripod ... This is why having a copy of this PDF would be useful to have for immediate reference if anyone of authority did want to come and enforce ideas not covered by the language of document. Scroll the entire document, this is primarily for filming companies, not individuals, even if the engagement photos reference does exclude what might be closer to much smaller groups / uses.
Feb 5, 2019 18:17:06 #
I here what you are saying.
I pleaded my case, she said if you are in the boundaries of the Park and sell your photos commercially you will need a permit and pay $$$.
I am sure there will be some that do not declare their intentions when they enter the Park, take their photos and then sell them.
With my luck, I would be the one to get busted!
Pretty soon this place will be at it's peak of desirability to Photographers when there is a vast carpet of multi-colored flowers are in full bloom.
Just trying to give fellow Hogs a "heads up" what the new rules are!
I know I would be pretty ticked off if I drove any distance to find out when I got there I had to pay and fill out paperwork to take photos with intentions to sell.
I pleaded my case, she said if you are in the boundaries of the Park and sell your photos commercially you will need a permit and pay $$$.
I am sure there will be some that do not declare their intentions when they enter the Park, take their photos and then sell them.
With my luck, I would be the one to get busted!
Pretty soon this place will be at it's peak of desirability to Photographers when there is a vast carpet of multi-colored flowers are in full bloom.
Just trying to give fellow Hogs a "heads up" what the new rules are!
I know I would be pretty ticked off if I drove any distance to find out when I got there I had to pay and fill out paperwork to take photos with intentions to sell.
Feb 5, 2019 18:19:55 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
How would they prove / decide, while standing ther... (show quote)
That's how it appeared to me.
Just wondering about taking images to sell, say at a show or such.
I would think that this would not be considered "commercial". But it could....
Feb 5, 2019 18:25:50 #
jearlwebb wrote:
I here what you are saying. br I pleaded my case, ... (show quote)
It's a business decision. If you are going to sell them and can't cover the cost and make a profit, that's not the place for you. If your pictures are really selling, raising the price a few dollars should solve the problem.
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Feb 5, 2019 18:48:23 #
It's a business expense - pay it - shoot - sell - and write it off on your taxes
Feb 5, 2019 20:15:17 #
jearlwebb wrote:
Howdy. br Yesterday I went online to get the phone... (show quote)
You shouldn't have said anything and just gone and shot your pictures.
Feb 5, 2019 21:29:01 #
Permit? We don't need no stinkin permit!
God bless her. Go set up, do your thing, when the urge strikes to sell something from that park stipulate it requires a donation from the recipient of $$$. That works in the movies for one of the oldest professions.
God bless her. Go set up, do your thing, when the urge strikes to sell something from that park stipulate it requires a donation from the recipient of $$$. That works in the movies for one of the oldest professions.
Feb 6, 2019 00:32:51 #
TBerwick
Loc: Houston, Texas
That document is so full of holes it should never stick. It is obviously geared towards pros who are using the parks as a backdrop. If not, they've just shot their coveted tourism in the keister. Sounds like your ranger thinks anyone carrying a camera will have the requisite $2mm insurance? NOT!!!
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