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Feb 4, 2019 20:48:22   #
hogesinwa Loc: Dalyellup Western Australia
 
davidrb wrote:
You may have been reading too many dime store novels. "An informed assessment" can only come from Canon. Your second error is that the price will increase if the model is discontinued. Prices go down. If you are considering one then get one and try it for yourself. If you are serious then you need information other than popularity contests. Study the 5 series bodies and see what isn't yet available on a 5 series camera. IF Canon has several NEW features they might see fit to introduce a new model. My version of this camera does not lack anything that newer bodies offer so I won't expect a new 5 body for some time to come. Canon just finished introducing an entirely new type body in the mirrorless camera. All this is just 6 months away from an olympiad. Lifespan? My Leicas were built pre-WW II, and they still function properly. Take care if your equipment and it will last. Technology is more of a factor here than is time. For the immediate future? Look for Canon to introduce several new lenses, mostly in the long-glass area. Patents indicate that lighter and longer might be their new slogan. Power Focus might become a standard future on all new lenses. Camera technology seems to be stagnant, but there are fish to fry so lenses will get greater interest. This 5 model has a huge offering in its menus, it might be around for as long a the original 5, or longer. You will not be disappointed in what it brings to you or for how long it will continue to do so.
You may have been reading too many dime store nove... (show quote)


Nothing to do with any dime store novels. Many huge companies maintain a coterie of well-informed near-employees who are privy to much that is in planning. I spent a winter in Turkey with one such person aligned with Microsoft who was in receipt of software to beta-test.
Don't know where you get "second error" from? The whole point of my question is aimed at trying to establish when Canon is likely to release (say, for examply only) a 5D Mk5 so that I can take advantage of the inevitable price drop on the 5D Mk4.
Also have no idea what you mean about popularity contests? I am not asking IF a 5D Mk4 is a good purchase, I am simply trying to ensure that if I buy one at retail on a Friday I am not stunned by a new release the following Monday when my now-purchased Mk4 could be had for much less.

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Feb 4, 2019 20:51:39   #
hogesinwa Loc: Dalyellup Western Australia
 
larryepage wrote:
Physical lifespan is determined primarily by two things..the robustness of the produce and the availability of parts if breakdowns should occur. I do not know what Canon's policy is on repair parts, but for most Japanese manufacturers, it tends to be pretty close to 5 years after the end of production. I have a couple of Nikon D300s that still work fine and fill a need for me. But key repair parts are no longer generally available for them. This includes the rubber grip pieces that must be replaced if the camera must be disassembled. So their lifespan, for all practical purposes, is "until they break."

A secondary factor is the availability of newer models which have features that you NEED and which your current model lacks. That one is a little more complicated.

In the case of portable two-way radios, by the way, life span is determined by battery availability. Motorola built a very successful line of two way radios in the early years of this century. When they decided that the life of the radios was over, they simply stopped making replacement batteries available. Because this is a niche market, those batteries are not available from other manufacturers. So the radios gradually become unusable as their batteries fail.
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Thanks for that. I didn't mean physical lifespan, I meant the period of time during which the Mk4 is the premier offering in the 5D range, so that I can take advantage of the inevitable reduced price when it is superseded, as the Mk3 currently is reduced.

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Feb 4, 2019 20:53:14   #
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hogesinwa wrote:
... this group has some extremely intelligent photographers in it with vast knowledge and insight.
This question is directed to them.
Who can provide an informed assessment of what the likely currency of the 5D MkIV will be i.e. how long do you think Canon will run with this before issuing a replacement?
Obviously this has implications for the $$$ of a 5D - replacement comes out, current stock goes down, new model may cost the same or more.
I'm seriously considering one and naturally would like to make a wise purchase time-wise.
... this group has some extremely intelligent phot... (show quote)



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Feb 4, 2019 20:53:15   #
hogesinwa Loc: Dalyellup Western Australia
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
They, Canon, have no plans for a new 5DSr. They do have plans for a 5DS mk II without the AA filter. Canon actually manufacturers more "mirrorless" models than DSLR'S. Clarification, a mirrorless camera is any camera that doesn't have a mirror. The EOS R is mirrorless but it's classification is a MILC or Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Camera.
I'm curious; you say the 5D IV is a great camera, if you don't have one already. Why is that? I do have one and I feel it's still a great camera. 🐱😁😏
They, Canon, have no plans for a new 5DSr. They do... (show quote)


I read the reports on here in in my photo mags. I have a 7DMkII and now want a 5DMkIV also.

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Feb 4, 2019 21:04:20   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
hogesinwa wrote:
Nothing to do with any dime store novels. Many huge companies maintain a coterie of well-informed near-employees who are privy to much that is in planning. I spent a winter in Turkey with one such person aligned with Microsoft who was in receipt of software to beta-test.
Don't know where you get "second error" from? The whole point of my question is aimed at trying to establish when Canon is likely to release (say, for examply only) a 5D Mk5 so that I can take advantage of the inevitable price drop on the 5D Mk4.
Also have no idea what you mean about popularity contests? I am not asking IF a 5D Mk4 is a good purchase, I am simply trying to ensure that if I buy one at retail on a Friday I am not stunned by a new release the following Monday when my now-purchased Mk4 could be had for much less.
Nothing to do with any dime store novels. Many hu... (show quote)


The 5D4 is a little over 2 years old and is not due for replacement soon although admittedly, my crystal ball is a bit cloudy this year 😩 (the 5D3 was almost 5 years old when updated to the 5D4). Buy the camera - I can tell you that it is an excellent body with some great features, ruggedness and performance. I just traded up my 5D3 (which was an excellent body) for one, and it’s world class.

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Feb 4, 2019 21:04:44   #
BebuLamar
 
hogesinwa wrote:
Nothing to do with any dime store novels. Many huge companies maintain a coterie of well-informed near-employees who are privy to much that is in planning. I spent a winter in Turkey with one such person aligned with Microsoft who was in receipt of software to beta-test.
Don't know where you get "second error" from? The whole point of my question is aimed at trying to establish when Canon is likely to release (say, for examply only) a 5D Mk5 so that I can take advantage of the inevitable price drop on the 5D Mk4.
Also have no idea what you mean about popularity contests? I am not asking IF a 5D Mk4 is a good purchase, I am simply trying to ensure that if I buy one at retail on a Friday I am not stunned by a new release the following Monday when my now-purchased Mk4 could be had for much less.
Nothing to do with any dime store novels. Many hu... (show quote)


We can only guess as I made a guess and MT Shooter made a guess and we both think it's next year. There are some people who know but if they tell you they are putting their jobs on the line.

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Feb 5, 2019 00:35:04   #
hogesinwa Loc: Dalyellup Western Australia
 
BebuLamar wrote:
We can only guess as I made a guess and MT Shooter made a guess and we both think it's next year. There are some people who know but if they tell you they are putting their jobs on the line.


True. I was hoping for insight, as you have provided, but not trying to compromise anyone's position. A fine line, eh?
Thank you.

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Feb 5, 2019 01:42:43   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Selene03 wrote:
I am glad to hear that Canon is looking at coming up with a newer version of a megapixel camera whatever they call it and glad it won't have the AA filter. I know Canon makes a lot of mirrorless cameras and what mirrorless cameras are! So, no need to be condescending. I read the initial post quickly so when I responded I wasn't sure if the op had a 5 d mk iv or not. I have one (and a 5dsr) both of which I love. What I meant to say is if you are thinking about buying a 5 d mk iv, go for it--it is a great camera. Use it now and enjoy it and don't worry what might come out down the road. If I never bought any more cameras, I can be very, very happy with the ones I have. I guess if one is strapped for money and has something usable waiting to see what might come out next year is a good strategy before buying something new, but I would not put off getting a camera I think would be an improvement because something else might come out soon (whenever that might be). In short, I think the 5 d mk iv is a great camera period. Happy now???
I am glad to hear that Canon is looking at coming ... (show quote)


I don't believe I was being condescending at all. I was simply offering clarifying information, not pretending to be superior to anyone.
Your words: " It looks like they might be moving into mirrorless cameras as a priority"
Canon has been making Mirrorless cameras since 1937 and Digital Mirrorless cameras since 1996. I included a clarification on "Mirrorless" cameras because I was referring to all Mirrorless cameras, not just MILC'S, which Canon began marketing in the summer of 2012. For some strange reason, many, many people refer to MILC'S as Mirrorless and yes, they are mirrorless, but so is the M50 and the G1X III and the SX70HS, to name a few. Canon makes a lot of Mirrorless cameras and some of them are Interchangeable Lens Cameras and a lot of them are not. All Bridge cameras and Point and Shoots are Mirrorless.

Also, I don't understand your megapixel reference. Canon's first megapixel camera was the PowerShot Pro 70 introduced in 1998. Every digital camera since the Pro 70 has been a megapixel camera.

I've been a big fan of Canon for over 40 years, ever since I bought my first Canon SLR, the AE-1.
Over the years I've acquired several Canon cameras, including the 5DIV, 5Dsr, 10D thru 80D,
6D, 7DII, G1X, II & III, a few other G series cameras and a few SX series cameras. Heck, I even have an M50. Have no plans on getting an EOS R, will wait until its replacement hits the streets. I also have 4 Canon printers, 2 Pixma Pro's and to all in ones. My laser printer is an HP.

Point is, I know a good amount about Canon because I keep up with things Canon. Also, I too am very happy with my Canon cameras, and I'm happy with my Nikon cameras also. I was happy before this conversation started and I'm happy now. And I agree with you, the 5DIV is a great camera, a solidly built feature rich high performance DSLR that I use all the time. How's that for happy.
So I know a

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Feb 5, 2019 08:00:06   #
khorinek
 
You can keep up on new Canon products here: https://www.canonrumors.com/ I wouldn't look at a camera purchase with the life span in mind. If you buy a new camera, it could last several years depending on how well you took care of it. Remember, it's the final product (your photos) that you need to be concerned with, not how long a camera will last for you. Cameras are like all digital products, they will constantly evolve and we will always be behind the curve. If you want to keep up with the newest products you will need a lot of $$$ to do so. Buy new equipment when your older stuff isn't working anymore or when your current equipment isn't giving you what you want.

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Feb 5, 2019 08:08:29   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
5D - 2005
5D II - 2009
5D III - 2012
5D IV - 2016

You can figure the 5D V will be introduced in 2020. Canon seems to like a four-year lifespan of production. As for the lifespan of the camera, a million photos would not be out of the question.

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Feb 5, 2019 08:17:19   #
ggenova64
 
Cameras are always released before the Olympics?

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Feb 5, 2019 10:27:15   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
hogesinwa wrote:
It is clear that this group has some extremely intelligent photographers in it with vast knowledge and insight.
This question is directed to them.
Who can provide an informed assessment of what the likely currency of the 5D MkIV will be i.e. how long do you think Canon will run with this before issuing a replacement?
Obviously this has implications for the $$$ of a 5D - replacement comes out, current stock goes down, new model may cost the same or more.
I'm seriously considering one and naturally would like to make a wise purchase time-wise.
It is clear that this group has some extremely int... (show quote)


If you are asking when it will be replaced by the next model of 5D, then there's only guesses at this time. Canon said that they are focusing their efforts mostly on the EOS R camera line including EF-R lenses. They are coming out with 5 new EF-R lenses later this year. So this may put the kibosh on innovative replacements for current DSLR's. They might have a new 5D V or 1DX Mark III in 2020, but I wouldn't expect a lot of big changes to them. Just a few more bells and whistles and fluff since they are putting so much into the EOS R line now....

As someone else said, the replacement 5D will probably be $3600 or so since the 5D IV cost $3500 when released.

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Feb 5, 2019 11:38:07   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
hogesinwa wrote:
It is clear that this group has some extremely intelligent photographers in it with vast knowledge and insight.
This question is directed to them.
Who can provide an informed assessment of what the likely currency of the 5D MkIV will be i.e. how long do you think Canon will run with this before issuing a replacement?
Obviously this has implications for the $$$ of a 5D - replacement comes out, current stock goes down, new model may cost the same or more.
I'm seriously considering one and naturally would like to make a wise purchase time-wise.
It is clear that this group has some extremely int... (show quote)


Original 5D release: 08/22/2005
5D II release: 09/17/2008 (three years, one month later)
5D III release: 03/02/2012 (three years, six months later)
5D IV release: 08/25/2016 (four years, five months later)

The trend is for Canon to sit on new releases a bit longer each cycle. They might release another 5D (Mark V?) in about four to five years from the last one. Whether they continue the series will probably depend on the success of mirrorless gear, and the degree to which they can push either technology. The decline in dSLR sales and rate of mirrorless sales' ascension will play a huge role, too.

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Feb 5, 2019 11:44:22   #
hogesinwa Loc: Dalyellup Western Australia
 
burkphoto wrote:
Original 5D release: 08/22/2005
5D II release: 09/17/2008 (three years, one month later)
5D III release: 03/02/2012 (three years, six months later)
5D IV release: 08/25/2016 (four years, five months later)

The trend is for Canon to sit on new releases a bit longer each cycle. They might release another 5D (Mark V?) in about four to five years from the last one. Whether they continue the series will probably depend on the success of mirrorless gear, and the degree to which they can push either technology. The decline in dSLR sales and rate of mirrorless sales' ascension will play a huge role, too.
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That's very insightful of you. I need to think through the implications to try to guess when it will translate into a lower cost for the Mk4.

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Feb 5, 2019 11:51:13   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Of course the risk is that when the Mk5 comes out there will be some feature or group of features that end up pushing you to get it instead...

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