jcboy3

At least mine was valid.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

You are literally too stupid to insult.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

The founding fathers were correct in not wanting religion to play a part in government. That was primarily to avoid the government dictating what religion one was to follow. There had been enough bloodshed in England over schisms of religious beliefs. They wanted to avoid that. Therefore there was to be no national religion or religious belief. That's fine.

I personally don't see that putting a nativity scene in a public park is forcing anyone to believe as Christians do. It's simply a statement that means something to those who are Christian. The government allowing such isn't the government dictating that anyone has to believe one way or the other.

The problem with Sharia Law is that it is a form of government. If one does not believe as Muslims do and commits an act that is considered by Muslims to be offensive, Sharia Law permits Muslims to punish infidels. In fact, just not being Muslim is an offense. Thus, punishable and condoned by the government of a nation whose law is Sharia. That's a big difference from our approach of belief which is believe what you want to believe. Just don't force others to believe as you do.

It might be of interest that God is mentioned in The Declaration of Independence.
--Bob

pendennis

While the Constitution may not contain the word "God", the writers were all religious, to a degree. They were either deists, or of some specific denomination.

It's imperative that people read the Federalist, and even the Anti-Federalist, to understand just what the Founders meant in the articles of the Constitution.

The Bill of Rights was an afterthought, since the Founders had assumed that inherent rights were already understood and guaranteed, needing no further ensurance.

The Founders also looked at a number of other countries, including those with Sharia law. It was never conceived strictly within our continental borders.

Rose42

And you wingers excuse anything he posts. Why is that I wonder...

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Because it was done for the sole ourpose of painting a false narrative.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

Are you denying fact?

Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio

I love it!!!

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Actually, thats a gross falsehood.

They were writing it to ensure that there was no state enforced religion, IOW that whether someone was from wh**ever faith they could not be precluded from their rights as a citizen.

The words "separation of church and state" also do not appear in the COTUS.

In fact the first known mention was in correspondence between the Danbury Baptists and Thomas Jefferson.

The DB, as a minority faith in Connecticut, were concerned that Connecticut might at some point pass legislation damaging their rights and representation ... much as Massachusetts had done already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptists_in_the_history_of_separation_of_church_and_state

https://www.theamericanview.com/constitution-course-supplemental-assignments/jeffersons-letters-tofrom-danbury-baptists/

https://chaplain.house.gov/archive/continental.html

I have posted all of this before, so unless you flat refuse to pay attention ... you are with malice and forethought misrepresenting the history of the issue.

In closing, if congress truly wanted to exclude religion, explain this from the start of our first congress:

O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!

Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and t***h and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.

Amen.

Reverend Jacob Duché
Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

Yeah, no they stated it in the Declaration of Independence. The Founders were not big on repeating themselves especially on things that they determined were self-evident; something apparently lost on you.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Another forum to which I belong has a l*****t from New York who argues that the founders of our republic were, in fact, proto-Marxists ... and, believe it or not, loses it when asked to explain this belief.

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

You probably are not old enough to know this. It wasn't always called "welfare". It was called public assistance or public relief.

I suspect you'll find that when it was renamed "welfare" that is was done for political purposes. You also used to have to go to the town hall to receive your "relief", probably from someone that knows you and your situation. These days, the federal government has worked hard to make this impersonal to remove shame and stigma associated with cashing checks that other people earned.

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

Hahaaaa pretty funny!

I have ancestors that fought in the Revolutionary war. Remember, that all started because England raised the tax on tea by 3%. Can you even imagine what they would do today? Pretty sure it wouldn't be pretty.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Thats it? Nothing about the post?

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

I didn’t see any h**e in the op. Trado’s post was nothing but h**e.