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Feb 1, 2019 08:45:48   #
sschonfeld
 
The Tamron 18-400 is an excellent choice. I have used it with the Canon 80D and am impressed with its range. Bees to buffalo, great resolution and light weight.

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Feb 1, 2019 09:17:49   #
miked46 Loc: Winter Springs, Florida
 
Did you think of adding a 2X converter to increase distance with 18-400

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Feb 1, 2019 10:02:33   #
sschonfeld
 
Have never really needed 2x, may need tripod for that to be effective

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Feb 1, 2019 11:12:04   #
rydabyk Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
Have you considered the Sigma 100-400? I don't currently own one but the reviews I've read have been favorable. Plus, it's available in your price range from KEH (https://www.keh.com/shop/sigma-100-400mm-f-5-6-3-dg-os-hsm-c-contemporary-lens-for-canon-ef-mount-67-1.html) I have no affiliation with KEH but I've purchased from them and find their ratings and customer service to be excellent.

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Feb 1, 2019 12:21:08   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
miked46 wrote:
Did you think of adding a 2X converter to increase distance with 18-400


Don't think you CAN add a 2x converter to the Tamron 18-400, Mike … but you can add one to the 100-400.


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Feb 1, 2019 14:08:50   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
The Canon EF 70-300mm IS USM "II" would be a very good choice and at $500 is well within your budget.

The previous version of that lens is also very good and still sometimes available new, for a bit less money... around $377 now.

AVOID the EF 75-300mm III.... it simply is not a good lens. It's cheap ($199 new, $55 used), but has poor image quality at the longer focal lengths, uses slow/noisy micro motor focus drive and doesn't have image stabilization.

If you want to save some money, at $299 the EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lens is a much better choice than the 75-300 III.... better image quality, faster/quieter STM focus drive, helpful image stabilization.... but it has a lot of overlap with your 18-135mm and doesn't add a whole lot of reach.

If you want more reach....

The Canon 100-400mm "II" IS USM is superb but is far more than your budget. The older push/pull zoom version of that lens is also very good and fairly widely available used for a lot less, but still more than your budget.

Sigma and Tamron both are also now offering 100-400mm lenses... both with reasonably fast focus drive and helpful IS... that are much closer to your budget, though still slightly more than you wanted to spend ($700 and, $800 respectively). Between the two, I'd go with the Tamron for an extra $100 because it can optionally be fitted with a tripod mounting ring (sold separately, $129) and I'd want that with any lens that reaches 400mm. The Sigma doesn't have option of fitting a tripod mounting ring. Both these lenses are about a stop slower than the Canon 100-400s. They all require fairly good light... the Tammy and Siggy just need more. But you aren't going to find any "long AND fast" lenses anywhere close to your budget. There's simply no such thing.

EDIT: On a Canon 80D you can still autofocus with a 1.4X on the Canon 100-400 II and, so long as it's a good quality teleconverter, get usable images. A 2X teleconverter on that lens WILL NOT be able to autofocus on any of the Canon DSLRs, 80D included. It would be manual focus only and at effective f/11 aperture that will be difficult due to a very dim viewfinder. I imagine a 1.4X could be used on the Tamron and Sigma 100-400s, too... but I suspect the image quality would take a big hit. Neither of those lenses have as good image quality or use fluorite the way the Canon does. That's part of the reason the Tammy and Siggy are far less expensive than the Canon.

Besides, I have used the Canon 100-400mm II a lot for two years and still haven't needed to add a 1.4X teleconverter to it! (And I have one available.)

The $650 Tamron 18-400mm is pretty good for what it is... a "do it all" zoom. The widest ranging one anyone has ever made, in fact. But, don't kid yourself. Both your 18-135mm and any of the 70-300 or 100-400 mentioned above offer higher performance and will have better image quality. For example, the 18-400mm quickly drops down to f/5.6 at about 80mm and f/6.3 at 117mm and longer. In comparison, the Canon 100-400 II is f4.5 or f/5 through 311mm and f/5.6 the rest of the way. Although not as bright as the Canon 100-400 II, both the Sigma and Tamron 100-400s also maintain larger apertures much deeper into their focal length range than the Tamron 18-400mm does.

All the "do it all" zooms compromise in a lot of ways. There is a good, thorough review of it (and all the other lenses mentioned here) at https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Tamron-18-400mm-f-3.5-6.3-Di-II-VC-HLD-Lens.aspx

If you are traveling and in situations where you can't change lenses... or just lazy and don't care about performance or high image quality... a "do it all" like the 18-400mm might be perfect. Some people love it.

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Feb 1, 2019 17:44:58   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
miked46 wrote:
Did you think of adding a 2X converter to increase distance with 18-400


No way! While the 80D is better than many, after about 50mm, it would be too dark. By 400mm it would be down to f/12.6, way beyond the ability of most any DSLR to auto-focus.

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Feb 1, 2019 18:17:28   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
The 18-135 and 70-300 will cover 99% of what your do.

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Feb 1, 2019 18:46:47   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
amfoto1 wrote:
The Canon EF 70-300mm IS USM "II" would be a very good choice and at $500 is well within your budget.

The previous version of that lens is also very good and still sometimes available new, for a bit less money... around $377 now.

AVOID the EF 75-300mm III.... it simply is not a good lens. It's cheap ($199 new, $55 used), but has poor image quality at the longer focal lengths, uses slow/noisy micro motor focus drive and doesn't have image stabilization.

If you want to save some money, at $299 the EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lens is a much better choice than the 75-300 III.... better image quality, faster/quieter STM focus drive, helpful image stabilization.... but it has a lot of overlap with your 18-135mm and doesn't add a whole lot of reach.

If you want more reach....

The Canon 100-400mm "II" IS USM is superb but is far more than your budget. The older push/pull zoom version of that lens is also very good and fairly widely available used for a lot less, but still more than your budget.

Sigma and Tamron both are also now offering 100-400mm lenses... both with reasonably fast focus drive and helpful IS... that are much closer to your budget, though still slightly more than you wanted to spend ($700 and, $800 respectively). Between the two, I'd go with the Tamron for an extra $100 because it can optionally be fitted with a tripod mounting ring (sold separately, $129) and I'd want that with any lens that reaches 400mm. The Sigma doesn't have option of fitting a tripod mounting ring. Both these lenses are about a stop slower than the Canon 100-400s. They all require fairly good light... the Tammy and Siggy just need more. But you aren't going to find any "long AND fast" lenses anywhere close to your budget. There's simply no such thing.

EDIT: On a Canon 80D you can still autofocus with a 1.4X on the Canon 100-400 II and, so long as it's a good quality teleconverter, get usable images. A 2X teleconverter on that lens WILL NOT be able to autofocus on any of the Canon DSLRs, 80D included. It would be manual focus only and at effective f/11 aperture that will be difficult due to a very dim viewfinder. I imagine a 1.4X could be used on the Tamron and Sigma 100-400s, too... but I suspect the image quality would take a big hit. Neither of those lenses have as good image quality or use fluorite the way the Canon does. That's part of the reason the Tammy and Siggy are far less expensive than the Canon.

Besides, I have used the Canon 100-400mm II a lot for two years and still haven't needed to add a 1.4X teleconverter to it! (And I have one available.)

The $650 Tamron 18-400mm is pretty good for what it is... a "do it all" zoom. The widest ranging one anyone has ever made, in fact. But, don't kid yourself. Both your 18-135mm and any of the 70-300 or 100-400 mentioned above offer higher performance and will have better image quality. For example, the 18-400mm quickly drops down to f/5.6 at about 80mm and f/6.3 at 117mm and longer. In comparison, the Canon 100-400 II is f4.5 or f/5 through 311mm and f/5.6 the rest of the way. Although not as bright as the Canon 100-400 II, both the Sigma and Tamron 100-400s also maintain larger apertures much deeper into their focal length range than the Tamron 18-400mm does.

All the "do it all" zooms compromise in a lot of ways. There is a good, thorough review of it (and all the other lenses mentioned here) at https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Tamron-18-400mm-f-3.5-6.3-Di-II-VC-HLD-Lens.aspx

If you are traveling and in situations where you can't change lenses... or just lazy and don't care about performance or high image quality... a "do it all" like the 18-400mm might be perfect. Some people love it.
The Canon EF 70-300mm IS USM "II" would ... (show quote)


Alan - just wanted to thank you for your oh, so, very thorough analysis (of everything, really) - but, particularly - this one - which covers all the 400mm zoom lenses for Canon cameras - the most needed zoom range. I'd like to see an extended version in the future, which covers things like the Siggy 50-500, and the 150-600 glass put out by both Tammy and Siggy - and how they compare with Canon glass.

I know none of those are in the OP's budget, but, it still would be nice to see how they compare …

Again, thanks for the thoroughness of your analyses … they really are very valuable ….

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Feb 5, 2019 02:02:24   #
DJphoto Loc: SF Bay Area
 
Jclear wrote:
Good morning to all.

I'm a newbie here, 71 year old amateur, mostly travel photos.
This question may have already been answered elsewhere but I didn't find it in my topic search.

We will be traveling on a Caribbean cruise (20th) early march and going to Pensacola FL for the Blue Angel homecoming air show in November. As topic indicates I currently have the 80D with the 18-135 IS STM and 55-250 IS STM. I'm looking for something with more reach especially for the air show and for birds. Most pics are taken during cruises. Have considered the Tamron 18-400 and Canon EF 70-300 IS II USM. The 300mm doesn't add much more reach than the 250mm but faster lens and reviews suggest my current set is better than the 18-400.

Please help with opinions, experience and other possible options.

How does the Canon 18-135 compare to the Tamron 18-400?

Thanks in advance.
Good morning to all. br br I'm a newbie here, 71... (show quote)


I have an 80D with the EF-S 18-135 and EF 70-300 IS II USM. I believe the 55-250 is an EF-S. If that is the case, the EF 70-300 will give you about twice the reach (480mm equivalent on the 80D). I'm very happy with both of my lenses noted. We took a cruise to Norway, Scotland and London in July and I used the 18-135 most of the time. I used my EF-S 10-18 a few times and the 70-300 once. However, the longer lens will be good for the airshow.

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Feb 5, 2019 11:32:19   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
DJphoto wrote:
I have an 80D with the EF-S 18-135 and EF 70-300 IS II USM. I believe the 55-250 is an EF-S. If that is the case, the EF 70-300 will give you about twice the reach (480mm equivalent on the 80D). I'm very happy with both of my lenses noted. We took a cruise to Norway, Scotland and London in July and I used the 18-135 most of the time. I used my EF-S 10-18 a few times and the 70-300 once. However, the longer lens will be good for the airshow.


Yes, DJ - the 55-250 is an EF-S lens. But, the 70-300s fall into BOTH camps. I daresay, even though there are versions for both FF and APS-C … you could use the latter on the former (as long as it's a Sigma or Tamron) but the Canon EF-S can only be used on APS-C bodies. It's a good all-purpose medium tele. But, for an airshow, you might want to consider getting something longer. Perhaps, a 100-400 is in order …

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