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Jan 30, 2019 10:28:34   #
rbmitch123
 
I asked essentially the same question about 10 days ago. Get ready, I got over 10 pages of answers. I’ll give you the quick summary. Always. Never. Sometimes. With a lot of sarcasm, indignity and expertise thrown in.
My take was if you need quick ISO adjustments with varying light conditions use it. If you are taking landscape and have plenty of time to set it, don’t use it.

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Jan 30, 2019 10:34:13   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Wouldn't have any more noise than any other modes. The ISO goes up as the light comes down and in any modes the choice is noise or no picture.


This is so true, keep iso low in low light, no picture.😂😜

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Jan 30, 2019 10:36:53   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
gessman wrote:
If your camera delivers as expected on the assumed promise that it will always pick the lowest ISO given the other settings you've selected, more especially if you are shooting moving subjects, there's very seldom much reason, short of shooting for a special effects shot, to not use auto ISO because in good light it will pick the best/lowest ISO just as you would in conjunction with your other settings and in bad light it will pick what it needs to way before you can in order to let you walk away with shots you wouldn't have gotten otherwise even if it requires that you apply a little noise reduction/removal software. When shooting still shots where you only want base iso used, and may even be shooting in "bulb," auto ISO certainly could serve up some undesirable results.

There's six kinds of people that I can think of offhand who don't/won't use auto ISO:

1) those who don't know about it,
2) those who don't understand how it works and its benefits,
3) those who never shoot anything but still subjects and mostly in good light,
4) those who like to shoot in early and late daylight but either shoot timed exposures and otherwise
won't start shooting 'til they can apply some variation of "Sunny 16,"
5) those who like to miss a lot of action shots due to the inability to rapidly adjust ISO on demand in
insufficient light fiddling with a special function button or users whose ISO setting is inconveniently
buried in a complex menu,
6) those who like to start shooting much later than others in the morning or have to put their camera
away well ahead of others in the evening because the light isn't "perfect," just as it used to be when
that person had 50 or 100asa film loaded and couldn't get a decent shot due to insufficient light -
those who've "by god, been doing it that way for fifty years" and ain't about to change regardless of
innovations that come along that allows them to overcome those deficiencies of fifty years ago -
those who, "if Ansel wouldn't do it, by god, neither will I."

Admittedly, some have higher standards than others, especially those who do it for "hire" who have to please customers. Those folks get special dispensation from my list above. By the way, I was around about twenty years before Ansel moved on and I don't recall there being anywhere near the fuss that's made about him now. Seems like he was just another goober running around with a big camera.
If your camera delivers as expected on the assumed... (show quote)

I think a lot of us may have first learned about him from his photographs on the inner sleeves of vinyl albums from A&M Records in the early '70s...

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Jan 30, 2019 10:38:02   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Don't they call that the "bandwagon effect"?


I think so!

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Jan 30, 2019 10:48:21   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
will47 wrote:
When are good times to consider using Auto ISO? I use a 7D Mark ll and mainly do landscapes, animals, birds, and I sometimes try BIF. Thanks.


When you need to use an auto exposure mode (variable lighting conditions), but want a particular shutter speed either to blur or freeze movement AND you want a particular aperture to control depth of field. Then Auto ISO in Manual mode makes sense. Just remember that M with Auto ISO is a fourth auto exposure mode.... an "aperture AND shutter priority AE mode".

Other than that, I see no use for it. I'd NEVER combine it with any of the other auto exposure modes: aperture priority AE (Canon Av), shutter priority AE (Tv), program AE (P).

For the types of photography you do (landscape, birds/BIF, animals), I imagine there could be times with any of them when it would make sense to use Auto ISO.

I think some people overuse Auto ISO. I use it occasionally. And, again, ONLY with M.

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Jan 30, 2019 10:52:11   #
Cyberkinesis70 Loc: Northern Colorado
 
I suggest to get Steve Perry's E book "Exposure and Metering for Nikon". While the adjustments are specifically for Nikons, the concepts of exposure are the same for all cameras. There is a chapter devoted to Auto ISO. It is easy to understand, without a bunch of math equations to confuse you. Well worth 22 bucks.

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Jan 30, 2019 10:57:42   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
I'm a fan of using all capabilities that our expensive cameras offer, once they have been tested for effectiveness and are well understood.

I've not used Auto ISO, because all the cameras I've owned until very recently were pretty limited in their high ISO capability and showed undesirable effects pretty quickly as ISO increased. Now that I have a couple of cameras with better high ISO performance, I'll be checking it out and seeing if it will be helpful for me.

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Jan 30, 2019 11:04:23   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Bokehen wrote:
Because the Canon M6 is new to me, I've been shooting completely auto....


Are you referring to the "green box/A+" auto mode?

FYI: That's not the same thing the original poster is asking about.

Green box/A+ is found on many Canon cameras and is sort of a "SUPER auto/point n shoot" mode. It automates far more than just exposure. It also dictates your focus mode, flash functions, won't let you use exposure compensation, even decides the type of file you can save (JPEGs only), and much more. It's more like using a camera phone than using an interchangeable lens camera.

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Jan 30, 2019 11:13:11   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
larryepage wrote:
I think a lot of us may have first learned about him from his photographs on the inner sleeves of vinyl albums from A&M Records in the early '70s...


That's interesting. I made a terrible typo - I was around 47 years concurrently with Adams, not 20. S'cuse me. I've seen several of his exhibits and always have come away wondering why I spent the time. I admittedly have no artistic ability and not much more appreciation, actually have little use for black and white photography. Dull, insensitive, no doubt but I just don't get that whole genre. I've tried, and studied and tried some more but it just ain't happenin' for me. Perhaps if I could "get it" I'd be a little less irreverent when it comes to the worship of Adams but I'm just not there.

What's going on with Adams now reminds me of a photographer we have here in the area where I live. He's probably considered the greatest photographer in the region by many. He put out a book a few years ago and was on tv talking about the images in it. In one, there is a picture of a very indistinct, mundane mountain that he built up as a very unique shot because he had to snowshoe in for three days, dig a snow cave, set up camp, and wait days 'til the light hit the mountain just right before he could get the shot he wanted which was in b&w. He went on for a long time hyping that ant hill and people just ate that stuff up and everybody bought his book. Now, I know it's good business to support locals when we can but frankly I think the people at that shindig all had way too much wine.

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Jan 30, 2019 11:19:52   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
rmalarz wrote:
For me, never. But, that's just me.
--Bob


Same here!!

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Jan 30, 2019 11:33:56   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
will47 wrote:
When are good times to consider using Auto ISO. I use a 7D Mark ll and mainly do landscapes, animals, birds, and I sometimes try BIF. Thanks.


Pretty much all the time provided you're using manual shutter and aperture. Perhaps not so much when using a flash.

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Jan 30, 2019 11:38:42   #
twillsol Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
will47 wrote:
When are good times to consider using Auto ISO. I use a 7D Mark ll and mainly do landscapes, animals, birds, and I sometimes try BIF. Thanks.


Never...I always shoot Aperture priority or full Manual and never put ISO on auto.
Just me..

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Jan 30, 2019 11:44:25   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
I use auto ISO when the light is rapidly changing or when I am shooting a moving subject, like birds in flight that can go from dark to light backgrounds rapidly. I set the maximum ISO to 800 though to avoid noise. I would normally use the base ISO for static subjects like landscapes.

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Jan 30, 2019 12:16:00   #
srt101fan
 
The OP didn't ask when do YOU consider using Auto ISO. He's not asking what your shooting preferences are. He's asking "When are good times to consider using Auto ISO".

It would be helpful to newcomers, and the discussion, if those that say "never" provided some background on why they avoid Auto ISO. And keeping the ISO low is NOT a reason - with M+Auto ISO you still have full control; the camera suggests, you decide....

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Jan 30, 2019 12:16:34   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
gessman wrote:
That's interesting. I made a terrible typo - I was around 47 years concurrently with Adams, not 20. S'cuse me. I've seen several of his exhibits and always have come away wondering why I spent the time. I admittedly have no artistic ability and not much more appreciation, actually have little use for black and white photography. Dull, insensitive, no doubt but I just don't get that whole genre. I've tried, and studied and tried some more but it just ain't happenin' for me. Perhaps if I could "get it" I'd be a little less irreverent when it comes to the worship of Adams but I'm just not there.

What's going on with Adams now reminds me of a photographer we have here in the area where I live. He's probably considered the greatest photographer in the region by many. He put out a book a few years ago and was on tv talking about the images in it. In one, there is a picture of a very indistinct, mundane mountain that he built up as a very unique shot because he had to snowshoe in for three days, dig a snow cave, set up camp, and wait days 'til the light hit the mountain just right before he could get the shot he wanted which was in b&w. He went on for a long time hyping that ant hill and people just ate that stuff up and everybody bought his book. Now, I know it's good business to support locals when we can but frankly I think the people at that shindig all had way too much wine.
That's interesting. I made a terrible typo - I wa... (show quote)


I get that you don't appreciate B&W, but have you ever read any of Adam's books? I find the zone system of evaluating light and exposure just as useful for color today as B&W - it was a revelation to me, and his books contain a wealth of information, generously shared in detail. I'll grant that it was focused on film, but the information is basic to all forms of photography. I gave my son the 3 classic AA books when he first started in photography, and he now teaches photography and works professionally, and I think it formed a solid basis for his future development, but just my opinion.

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