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Jan 29, 2019 10:26:30   #
b roll wanabee
 
https://witharsenal.com/

I saw this on facebook. It supposedly maximizes your DSLR in the way a smartphones does only with all the features of a DSLR. I believe the reason smartphone pictures are as good as they are is more because of the software than the actual camera or lens.
Full auto on a DSLR seems to be missing. Looks like a great camera accessory.

The promo says all the right things.
Looks like you can get a preorder?
I think they are still working on a final product.

Please let me know what you think.

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Jan 29, 2019 10:29:23   #
BebuLamar
 
I like their ability to communicate with the camera. As for the intelligence part I don't want it at all.

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Jan 29, 2019 10:47:16   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
"Let me know what you think"

The Arsenal is not a new subject here. It has had several topics. Usually it get slammed more than praised.

Full auto may not be well developed in the traditional DSLR market. However, the compact and mirrorless providers like Sony, Panasonic, Olympus and Fuji continue to improve their versions of full auto. I have a new Olympus TG-5 and full auto is becoming its standard setting!

I've not bought an Arsenal, but would enjoy having one. Since I don't have and won't likely get a traditional DSLR, I probably couldn't use it!

"Computational photography" is a fascinating topic usually related to smartphones but it can apply to devices and software too.

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Jan 29, 2019 10:48:07   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I seem to be able to communicate with my camera quite well.

However, if you think this is a great accessory, why not purchase it and then provide us with a report on how well it performs.

Oh, you might use the search function at the top of the page and see what others have had to say about this product.
--Bob

b roll wanabee wrote:
https://witharsenal.com/

I saw this on facebook. It supposedly maximizes your DSLR in the way a smartphones does only with all the features of a DSLR. I believe the reason smartphone pictures are as good as they are is more because of the software than the actual camera or lens.
Full auto on a DSLR seems to be missing. Looks like a great camera accessory.

The promo says all the right things.
Looks like you can get a preorder?
I think they are still working on a final product.

Please let me know what you think.
https://witharsenal.com/ br br I saw this on face... (show quote)

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Jan 29, 2019 10:59:38   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
b roll wanabee wrote:
https://witharsenal.com/

I saw this on facebook. It supposedly maximizes your DSLR in the way a smartphones does only with all the features of a DSLR. I believe the reason smartphone pictures are as good as they are is more because of the software than the actual camera or lens.
Full auto on a DSLR seems to be missing. Looks like a great camera accessory.

The promo says all the right things.
Looks like you can get a preorder?
I think they are still working on a final product.

Please let me know what you think.
https://witharsenal.com/ br br I saw this on face... (show quote)


I don't give it a thought. If I want full auto, which I do not want, I'll use my cell phone.

Art is a human product. Hopefully good art will inspire as well as communicate some of the feelings the subject elicited in the artist. If the machine is doing everything it is not art IMHO; it is just a picture. This product is for those that do not want to put any of themselves into their images.

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Jan 29, 2019 11:10:53   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
b roll wanabee wrote:
https://witharsenal.com/

I saw this on facebook. It supposedly maximizes your DSLR in the way a smartphones does only with all the features of a DSLR. I believe the reason smartphone pictures are as good as they are is more because of the software than the actual camera or lens.
Full auto on a DSLR seems to be missing. Looks like a great camera accessory.

The promo says all the right things.
Looks like you can get a preorder?
I think they are still working on a final product.

Please let me know what you think.
https://witharsenal.com/ br br I saw this on face... (show quote)

Forget it, its a totally worthless gadget, has been talked to death for month!

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Jan 29, 2019 11:36:02   #
b roll wanabee
 
You have to wake up pretty early in the morning to get something this group has not talked to death. Lol
I thought I had something no one had seen before so I rushed to post. I will use the search in the future.

I guess what I really want is a smoother time lapse.
Thanks for posting

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Jan 29, 2019 21:29:04   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Actually sounds useful as a remote control, but WAY overpriced and only useful with a tripod mounted camera. The “AI” bit sounds like pure hype IMHO.

Andy

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Jan 30, 2019 08:40:44   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
b roll wanabee wrote:
https://witharsenal.com/

I saw this on facebook. It supposedly maximizes your DSLR in the way a smartphones does only with all the features of a DSLR. I believe the reason smartphone pictures are as good as they are is more because of the software than the actual camera or lens.
Full auto on a DSLR seems to be missing. Looks like a great camera accessory.

The promo says all the right things.
Looks like you can get a preorder?
I think they are still working on a final product.

Please let me know what you think.
https://witharsenal.com/ br br I saw this on face... (show quote)


I think it has a lot of potential to take some boring post processing off your hands and can let you view the results of a stacked image or time lapse while still on site so a re-do is potentially possible prior to leaving the area. I, like others, don't desire full auto although there may be even a useful occasion for that under certain circumstances. What I really do like it the remote control aspects. Living and shooting in a climate that isn't always suited for human comfort, I can sit in a warm car with my camera on a tripod out in the snow controlling it from a tablet or laptop and save what's left of my once frost-bitten fingers and toes. Andy said "not worth it," but I'd pay double that. It's not as costly as CamRanger and automates much time saving post processing and, again, lets you see the results before you leave and have to come back if the outcome is important.

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Jan 30, 2019 09:48:53   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
speters wrote:
Forget it, its a totally worthless gadget, has been talked to death for month!


It seems to get plenty of leg for "totally worthless gadget"

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Jan 30, 2019 10:49:52   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
gessman,

As a fellow resident of the polar vortex zone, I think it might be worth a lot more to me tomorrow with a wind chill way below -20F if I had to be shooting outside!

I'd still like to hear a review of the actual gadget from a member here. All of the AI stuff seems to be pretty much what the JPEG algorithms in most high quality digitals are doing already.

Andy

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Jan 30, 2019 10:59:17   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
gessman wrote:
I think it has a lot of potential to take some boring post processing off your hands and can let you view the results of a stacked image or time lapse while still on site so a re-do is potentially possible prior to leaving the area. I, like others, don't desire full auto although there may be even a useful occasion for that under certain circumstances. What I really do like it the remote control aspects. Living and shooting in a climate that isn't always suited for human comfort, I can sit in a warm car with my camera on a tripod out in the snow controlling it from a tablet or laptop and save what's left of my once frost-bitten fingers and toes. Andy said "not worth it," but I'd pay double that. It's not as costly as CamRanger and automates much time saving post processing and, again, lets you see the results before you leave and have to come back if the outcome is important.
I think it has a lot of potential to take some bor... (show quote)

"I can sit in a warm car with my camera on a tripod out in the snow controlling it from a tablet or laptop"
My Panasonic and Olympus cameras have apps that do that. I suspect I could find a motorized RC tripod head if I looked.

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Jan 30, 2019 11:42:08   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
AndyH wrote:
gessman,

As a fellow resident of the polar vortex zone, I think it might be worth a lot more to me tomorrow with a wind chill way below -20F if I had to be shooting outside!

I'd still like to hear a review of the actual gadget from a member here. All of the AI stuff seems to be pretty much what the JPEG algorithms in most high quality digitals are doing already.

Andy


When the temp goes down the price goes up. I have way too much cabin fever and ADHD right now to do anything justice in the way of a review.

I'm a little skeptical about the AI craze that's suddenly sprung up since Photolemur was first released claiming it utilized AI. My first AI exposure was in the early '80s when I did some programming in what may have been the first language out, called Prolog. I didn't pursue that very far but I understand that Prolog is being highly utilized in today's AI programming along with some other "languages." What's got me is that I've gone since then to now without hearing much about it and all of a sudden it pops up in a photo processing program. I've been tempted to decompile Photolemur and see if and just how AI is being utilized but in that application because, as I sit here with my limited experience, I can't see much of a way that what little bit I know about it can be applied in the case of Photolemur.

Skylum, purveyors of Aurora HDR and Luminar have bought out Photolemur to take advantage of the latter's AI expertise and technique so they can incorporate it in their existing programs in the future and now here comes Topaz using AI. I gotta tell you, I'm just way curious about this sudden rush to AI in the photo world after not hearing hardly anything about it since my first exposure almost 40 years ago. That's got me scratching my head.

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Jan 30, 2019 11:55:05   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
bsprague wrote:
"I can sit in a warm car with my camera on a tripod out in the snow controlling it from a tablet or laptop"
My Panasonic and Olympus cameras have apps that do that. I suspect I could find a motorized RC tripod head if I looked.


My cameras and the apps I have let me do multiple shots for stacking but I have to bring 'em home and stack 'em.

Amazon - $110.00 https://www.amazon.com/Bescor-MP101-Video-Motorized-Head/dp/B008T17W9O/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1548866601&sr=8-8&keywords=motorized+tripod+head

Same one used by CamRanger but they have a module that gives you wireless over 100' while this one comes with a 50' cord with a control unit and you can add in another 50' extension for a few bucks more. Works like a charm but does require battery changes more often in cold weather - 4 AA's.

Of course, if you're real serious there's always the top shelf programmable gigapan unit of which I'm sure you're aware, $995.00 - http://www.omegabrandess.com/products/Gigapan/GigaPan-EPIC-ProV

Either one will allow you to set up at a waterin' hole and stay out of sight or maybe even in a "blind." Can have a lot of utility and at the same time, be a lot of fun if you like to shoot wildlife or nature in general.

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Jan 30, 2019 12:16:02   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
I wonder when their ship date will actually arrive? I think it was on Kickstarter at least a year ago and they're still in the pre-order stage, at $175. Is it worth another $75 to wait until there are actual production units?

Andy

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