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Jan 29, 2019 09:31:38   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
trainspotter wrote:
This seems to be because the younger generation's are not interested...Harley-Davidson is also feeling this problem. Young people want instant everything. My daughter and granddaughters are proof to me. The boys would rather ride crotch-rockets for motorcycles, my daughter swears by her smart-phone...her quote: "don't need no damn camera.....got this phone" I guess the best thing for me to do is sit on the porch, sip my whiskey, and take photos with my DSLR Canon. God Bless America!
This seems to be because the younger generation's ... (show quote)


Amen!

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Jan 29, 2019 09:32:52   #
ggab Loc: ?
 
LittleRed wrote:
Interesting article (especially for us Canoneers) taken from an interview in a Japanese magazine with Fujio Mitarai (Canon CEO) recently. Not a total surprise to me but still a bit of a eye opener.

LittleRed (Ron)

Smartphones could halve camera market in two years, Canon warns
By James Artaius (Digital Camera World, digital magazine)

Smartphones eating into market, mirrorless cameras not growing it, says Canon CEO

The digital camera market will continue to fall for the next two years before it hits rock bottom, at which time it could have shrunk by almost half. That's the bleak forecast from Canon CEO, Fujio Mitarai.
In an interview with the Nikkei (spotted by Mirrorless Rumors and translated by Digital Camera Info), Mitarai stated Canon's intention to shift its business to corporate customers in response to the grim market trend. 
"In our company cameras have declined at around 10% a year in the past few years. The world market for interchangeable lens cameras is around 10 million," he said. "The mirrorless product is growing, but it is a replacement [for] single lens reflex, it is not adding to the market as a whole."
According to Mitarai, smartphones are the primary reason that the market is facing such challenging conditions.
"People usually shoot with smartphones.The digital camera market will keep falling for about two years, but professional and [advanced] amateurs use about 5 to 6 million units. Finally [the market] will hit the bottom."

The digital camera market has been in decline for some time, but it was hoped that the release of full-frame mirrorless cameras like the Canon EOS R and Nikon Z7 would reinvigorate things. Unfortunately, as Mitarai notes, mirrorless cameras are simply replacing DSLRs – they aren't resulting in new camera adopters. 
With a move to service corporate customers, it seems likely that Canon's product line – particularly its compact cameras and lower end DSLRs – might be in jeopardy. With rumours continuing to swirl about professional versions of the EOS R, it looks like Canon is starting to put its eggs into one basket. 
Interesting article (especially for us Canoneers) ... (show quote)


A slightly different perspective, if someone else already posted this sorry I missed it.
Back in the film days, we had the polaroid, the instamatic etc. The cheap, down and dirty way to take snapshots. SLR's survived and Professionals were able to distinguish themselves.
Today, we have smartphones. I expect the higher end DSLRs will survive and professionals will be able to distinguish themselves.

The SmartPhone camera is the modern day Polaroid or Kodak instamatic.
George

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Jan 29, 2019 09:34:21   #
ggab Loc: ?
 
Delderby wrote:

I see a time when cell phones will project pictures and documents straight to any handy digital screen.


For the most part, that time is already here.

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Jan 29, 2019 09:38:03   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
Mike Fos wrote:
Sad state of affairs. I think it is lots of fun to switch lenses and playing with a real camera to see what you can do. Phones are for talking. P.S. Only got a flip phone.


My husband wants his flip phone back!! Me, I rarely take pictures with my smart phone. When I bought my Sony a7iii, I was going to give the Sony a6000 and 3 lenses to my married granddaughter. She didn’t seem all that interested, so I sold it!! Maybe when she has children, she’ll want a REAL camera; but I doubt it.

I can see cell phones replacing the point & shoot cameras. People with DSLR’s are in a different category, though. They view their photos as an ART form (at least I do). The kids always ask me to do the pictures at their events, so they know I get better pictures with my camera than they get with their phones...and still, they use their phones for their pictures at the same event.

My daughter-in-law posted pictures of her son’s confirmation from her phone with the comment, “the good pictures are on my mother-in-law’s Camera”. I posted a couple the next day after my edits. However, I don’t LIVE on FB like the kids do.

To each his own!

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Jan 29, 2019 09:53:42   #
Quinn 4
 
I am with you Trainspotter, sit on your porch sipping your whiskey, you with your DSLR Canon I show up with my friend John Walker and my Leica IIIb and we both sit taking pictures of the people , who are going by your porch. Let the people wonder what the hell those two old fool(I am 73) are doing on your porch. Answer: Enjoying our self and nuts to the rest of them.

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Jan 29, 2019 10:11:18   #
marklucey
 
I'm with you GrandmaG. All of our friends use their phones to take pictures. I just figure they don't really care about pictures. But if i'm around they are bugging me to shoot the pictures and post them with my REAL camera. "Oh can you send me that pic" or "Can you text me that photo, it so great" Well sure but first i need to load it on to my computer then email it to myself then text. I rarely use my phone as i take a camera with me all the time. My wife has a I-Phone 8 and yes it takes great pics up to a point but my Sony mirror-less cameras do so much better in low light with less noise and can focus and shoot way faster than that phone.

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Jan 29, 2019 10:21:46   #
genocolo Loc: Vail and Gasparilla Island
 
What is the difference, really?

dbjazz wrote:
The smartphone and the dedicated camera are two different tools used for two different purposes. Do you want art or do you want a snapshot?

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Jan 29, 2019 10:29:10   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Show me a 16x20 print from a smart phone that can stand up to a 16x20 DSLR print.

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Jan 29, 2019 11:03:42   #
Jeffers
 
Cell phone cameras are gaining popularity, no doubt. But one day I went on a dolphin watching cruise armed only with my cell phone, on purpose. First problem: The phone was usually locked when I needed it and by the time I unlocked it, the shot was gone. Second problem: I was on a moving boat, near the guardrail, taking pictures with an $800 phone, no wrist strap; instead of a $200 camera with a wrist strap. Someone mentioned the decline of pocket point and shoot cameras, but I have a Canon ELPH 360. Once I learned to use other modes rather than just Auto, I've taken some pretty spectacular shots that i could never have gotten with a cell phone camera.

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Jan 29, 2019 11:05:04   #
JimG1 Loc: Waxahachie, TX
 
trainspotter wrote:
I guess the best thing for me to do is sit on the porch, sip my whiskey, and take photos with my DSLR Canon. God Bless America!


Seems like that's where I'm headed.

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Jan 29, 2019 11:43:58   #
Bob Locher Loc: Southwest Oregon
 
Seems like to me that the Canon pres is sending a message - Canon is not going to invest much money in cameras and lenses in future - he is saying there is no reason to invest in a market shrinking that fast.

The market shrinking that fast may or may not be true - I suspect he is wrong - I would guess the market has already pretty much stabilized and is NOT going to shrink anything like he predicts - but he is covering his posterior by telling us the reason why Canon is withdrawing from competing with future designs.

I'm sure Canon will milk their existing line as much and for as long as possible, and will bring out new gear that is entirely derivative of the design and engineering they already have - but I think we have just been told that will be it.

Sad.


Bob Locher

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Jan 29, 2019 11:49:09   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Bob Locher wrote:
Seems like to me that the Canon pres is sending a message - Canon is not going to invest much money in cameras and lenses in future - he is saying there is no reason to invest in a market shrinking that fast.

The market shrinking that fast may or may not be true - I suspect he is wrong - I would guess the market has already pretty much stabilized and is NOT going to shrink anything like he predicts - but he is covering his posterior by telling us the reason why Canon is withdrawing from competing with future designs.

I'm sure Canon will milk their existing line as much and for as long as possible, and will bring out new gear that is entirely derivative of the design and engineering they already have - but I think we have just been told that will be it.

Sad.


Bob Locher
Seems like to me that the Canon pres is sending a ... (show quote)

Not so sure about that assessment .... see below for a discussion of the engineering and release of two updates to already $10,000+ lenses

https://www.canonrumors.com/ef-400mm-f-2-8l-is-iii-and-ef-600mm-f-4l-is-iii-developers-talk-about-the-new-super-telephoto-lenses/

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Jan 29, 2019 12:09:38   #
alby Loc: very eastern pa.
 
BlueMorel wrote:
Many if us won't be around in 30 years when my grandchildren will be in their fifties. The product market for that group is changing rapidly, affecting everyone from Sears to antique stores, to weddings to cameras. I predict many more products will be on the wane as that demographic become the monied consumers.


antique stores are getting few and far between. we have a house half full of primitive painted furniture. ready to move to smaller home. asked kids and grand kids if they wanted any of them and they all asked if it's alright to paint them........ OMG!!!

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Jan 29, 2019 12:36:05   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
whitehall wrote:
No doubt smart phones will replace D/SLR, much the same way as 35 mm replaced large and medium format cameras. To my mind the real question is whether the Camera companies will continue supporting the DSLR market and present new features, though I must say that for me given my current equipment incremental innovations with a huge price tag means that I will stay with what I have and resist any GAS symptoms

First, large format and medium format camera's did not replace 35 mm. It was the other way around. I should know, I was a Nikon Rep. for many many years. Second, Digital camera's from the top three in general are selling at a record pace. Smart phones have their place, but cannot and will not replace serious digital camera's any time soon. Sony has been averaging one new camera introduction every other month for years. Sony's RX100 series camera's are ALL still selling well, this includes the I, II, III, IV, and V. After years of production the RX100I is still on the list of B&H orders.
The Nikon D7200, introduced years ago, is continuing to sell well. They have reduced the price of this camera by a lot and is still selling out of production, AGAIN.
The Nikon D850 was out of stock for almost 9 months because of the demand.
The New Nikon Z camera's are sold out for the next 11 months because of record sales.
No my friend, Digital camera's are doing just fine thank you.

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Jan 29, 2019 12:36:55   #
pdsilen Loc: Roswell, New Mexico
 
BebuLamar wrote:
For work I always use the phone to take pictures. I only use my cameras to take pictures for fun.


It is true. I can see cell phones replacing the point-and-shoot. But it will take years to compete with the quality demanded by the professional photographer/

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