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Jan 25, 2019 12:12:37   #
latebloomer Loc: Topeka, KS
 
One of the wisest things that someone had to say to me was by an abnormal psychology professor. He said in making decisions carefully look at all the factors including pros and cons. He then said "Go with the feeling in your gut." "Your gut is the most reliable part of you."

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Jan 25, 2019 12:28:27   #
Flash Gordon
 
When my wife an I perceived a problem with a new client or had ethical issues with an existing client in our accounting practice we used a four factor approach for our fee estimate. Cost factor. Profit factor. PITA factor. And NUMBER FOUR, How will this client/job benefit us? The PITA factor can only provide so much benefit before your sanity and reputation are irrevocably harmed. Go with your gut.

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Jan 25, 2019 13:22:29   #
Rickoshay Loc: Southern California
 
Strodav wrote:
.........When I don't want to take a job, I usually overbid it rather than say no.


This is something to consider in my opinion. I used this technique when bidding on work for the aerospace machining company I worked for.

If we ended up winning the contract in spite of my high bid it would at least take the sting out of dealing with a tough job/client.

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Jan 25, 2019 13:43:00   #
fotoman150
 
rmalarz wrote:
Regardless of how personable the groom seems to be, it's the bride's day and that's all one needs to know. I'd keep the backout very simple as you expressed right here. "I don't think it's a good match", is all you have to convey.

Now, look at the behind the scenes part of this. The bride doesn't approve of you. The groom does. You do the work. Her opinion isn't going to change. You'll feel badly. The groom will have to live with that decision for the rest of his married days. Do you want to be remembered for that?
--Bob
Regardless of how personable the groom seems to be... (show quote)


Youre right. I feel sorry for the groom.

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Jan 25, 2019 13:45:06   #
fotoman150
 
OviedoPhotos wrote:
I shot two weddings, both in the days of film, mid 90's, one as an assistant, the other as lead. The first one the family was very easy going and didn't give me or my uncle any stress at all. The results were awesome. The second one was a bride and her mother from the dark regions................... In spite of that the results were awesome, although I had to take less than what was negotiated. Although I did make up for it by jacking up my reprint prices.

Then I made proposals on two more and discovered that the are lots of bridezilla's out there and got out of weddings. The media at the time (and still is) was advocating that its a very special day, and of course it is. They also advocate being tough on vendors. I recall one wedding I went to as a guest for a distant cousin, where his wife complained that the seats weren't big enough and the iced tea wasn't cold enough. These cretins are hard on all vendors thinking they will get a better deal.

Now with everyone owning a cell phone with an obnoxious flash, tripping other flash triggered lights it becomes a minefield.

Good luck in your decision. Take a page out of wedding caterers, ask for full payment up front
I shot two weddings, both in the days of film, mid... (show quote)


Thanks

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Jan 25, 2019 13:47:00   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
I am guessing this may be a "remorse" issue? Perhaps in retrospect, attempting to gain specific information from bridezilla could have allowed you to gracefully bow out at the meeting? No disrespect.
Brides and Bridezilla's rule the roost. If you are uncomfortable, maybe set up a short second meeting in order to decide? If you decide to shoot it. MT pointed out the importance of how a contract can benefit both photographer and client when services and limitations are spelled out in writing and signed by both parties. Let us know how this ends. Best of luck.

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Jan 25, 2019 13:47:13   #
fotoman150
 
Pistnbroke wrote:
Depends how much you want the work. If you are insured why worry. We always go wired and on a few occasions when we get unjustified complaints just ask for the approx. time it happened so we can compare it with the 16 hrs of audio recording we have ...that shuts them up.. Put it in the contract " conversations may be recorded to ensure compliance with your requirements"


That’s hard core.

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Jan 25, 2019 13:48:36   #
2mdman
 
Tell them thank you kindly for the offer to work with you but its best that they work with somebody that they both feel confident in. Its their wedding and you don't want to be a source of conflict just as they are setting off on their life together.

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Jan 25, 2019 13:49:28   #
fotoman150
 
luvmypets wrote:
My personal view of this situation is this. Older couple, both previously married and with kids means they are paying for the wedding and she is probably looking for a discount by insulting your work. If they come back to you that would be a stronger indication (to me) that she is looking for a discount and is going to cheap out any way she can. It would be a shame to see you put in all your hard work and time to have her do whatever she could to pay you as little as possible an then probably trash you on social media and on ratings sites like YELP.

I have worked in retail for over 30 years and dealt with unhappy customers and customers trying to take advantage. When I'm the customer and I'm not happy with the quality of work or the price I'm going elsewhere and that applies to photos or anything else.

I will add my vote to politely let them know that it is not going to work. Best of luck and there are many more people out there that will be very happy with your work. As this door closes....another will open.

Dodie
My personal view of this situation is this. Older... (show quote)


Yeah I hated to lose the money but here will be more to come

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Jan 25, 2019 13:49:55   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
A few things. I'm lucky in that I only take weddings I want to do. I've had that bad feeling, and didn't listen just a couple of times. That taught me to never ignore that feeling.

So... remember, if she's that kind of person, one bad comment on social media can kill your business. Only work with people that you really connect with, and that both of them love your work.

Don't forget, we do have a wedding section here on the Hog as well, but I can tell you that you'd get the same advice there about being picky. Walking away from the wedding, can save you much more than just the heartache of one bad wedding, you can lose some good weddings down the line because of the negative feedback.

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Jan 25, 2019 13:52:01   #
fotoman150
 
cjc2 wrote:
Back in the day when I actually did wedding photography I had a similar bad feeling and this is how I handled it. I visited the bride and mother as requested and sat with them for 30 minutes discussing my work, their desires and options. The daughter-mom fought with each other for the entire time. When it was time to discuss price, I told them I wasn't the least expensive in the area and quoted them a cost of $ 25.000.00. They said they'd think about it and thankfully I never heard from them again. Although I would have done their job at that price, that wedding was worth @ $2,500.00 at that time (about 25 years ago). I suggest that you price yourself out of the market and don't feel bad if you're not selected. Worked for me! Best of luck.
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I showed them a list of prices during the meeting. But that was an amazing thing that you did.

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Jan 25, 2019 13:55:19   #
fotoman150
 
sirlensalot wrote:
I am guessing this may be a "remorse" issue? Perhaps in retrospect, attempting to gain specific information from bridezilla could have allowed you to gracefully bow out at the meeting? No disrespect.
Brides and Bridezilla's rule the roost. If you are uncomfortable, maybe set up a short second meeting in order to decide? If you decide to shoot it. MT pointed out the importance of how a contract can benefit both photographer and client when services and limitations are spelled out in writing and signed by both parties. Let us know how this ends. Best of luck.
I am guessing this may be a "remorse" is... (show quote)


I’ll update everyone real soon

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Jan 25, 2019 14:15:17   #
Bobsphoto
 
To paraphrase an old saying: "If the bride ain't happy, ain't nobody happy." I am of the opinion the bride is the most important to please. Right behind her is her mother. I like the suggestion that perhaps the bride should find someone she is are more comfortable with. And if disposable cameras were a problem think about cell phones today. I know many photographers who will not let anyone in the room while they do the formal family shots. It's not just flashes, it's getting the subjects to follow only you.

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Jan 25, 2019 14:24:49   #
Maik723
 
fotoman150 wrote:
I just finished a wedding consultation.

I’m very nervous about the way it went down. I’ve never had to refuse to photograph a wedding before. But I have had one that I wish I had backed out of and now my intuition is telling me to back out of this one. So far I have not signed an agreement.

The bride was very negative, she didn’t smile much and felt like some of my work was out of focus. But the groom disagreed with her and was very personable and had looked at my portfolio in depth and liked what he saw.

I’ve got a bad feeling about this one. What’s the best way to tell them that it’s not a good fit? I’ve never done that before in all my years as a wedding photographer.
I just finished a wedding consultation. br br I’... (show quote)


Don't speak to the Bride. Inform the Groom of your reservations and let him convey your feelings to the Bride. But, be honest with the Groom and tell him everything. Work through him.

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Jan 25, 2019 14:28:49   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
fotoman150 wrote:
I just finished a wedding consultation.

I’m very nervous about the way it went down. I’ve never had to refuse to photograph a wedding before. But I have had one that I wish I had backed out of and now my intuition is telling me to back out of this one. So far I have not signed an agreement.

The bride was very negative, she didn’t smile much and felt like some of my work was out of focus. But the groom disagreed with her and was very personable and had looked at my portfolio in depth and liked what he saw.

I’ve got a bad feeling about this one. What’s the best way to tell them that it’s not a good fit? I’ve never done that before in all my years as a wedding photographer.
I just finished a wedding consultation. br br I’... (show quote)



Trust your gut, bro.....I just turned down a home sale based on the same.

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