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Jan 24, 2019 18:35:54   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
OleMe wrote:
Thanks. I was not sure about that and had not seen a clear explanation. /Roger


Not a problem. What exactly did you want to know about m4/3? I’ve been shooting with a m4/3 cameras since 2013.

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Jan 24, 2019 20:52:08   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
OleMe wrote:
Thanks. I was not sure about that and had not seen a clear explanation. /Roger


Just to be confusing, we must note that there WAS a Four Thirds format. It wasn’t mirrorless. *Micro* 4/3 is mirrorless, and uses a different lens mount.

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Jan 27, 2019 12:57:40   #
gwilliams6
 
Mirrorless Sony A9 - Sony 100-400mm lens - First Few Weeks from a Nikon Shooter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woOWyndDRlg&fbclid=IwAR1yTt21Xm1EUj0Zn10wPBEqposokJ7IJ61iqicVQkx7WUFy_6oIsFabl3Y

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Jan 27, 2019 14:33:10   #
User ID
 
LFingar wrote:
Welcome to the Hog!
Not to beat a dead horse, but that 1.6 crop factor does not change the focal length of a lens. It changes the field of view of the lens. On your camera the 300mm lens has the field of view of a 480mm lens on a full frame body. Sometimes, that gives an APS-C sensor an advantage over a full frame sensor.


That horse is not just dead, it smells reeeeeally bad !

Suggestion TWIMC:

Concerning the technically true statement that ".....
crop factor does not change the focal length of a lens.
It changes the field of view of the lens."


I suggest that "field of view" be replaced with perhaps
"category" or "purpose" ... cuz THAT is what the crop
factor actually DOES change. Questions about the crop
factor are by definition noob questions. I believe that
my suggestion avoids tech jargon like "focal length",
which is [heaven help us] a NUMBER [scary] and so it
replaces numeric data [FL] with plain words about the
use or purpose of lenses. "Purpose" [formerly "Field of
View"] is then expressed in ordinary words rather than
by reference to "FF equivalent FL", a nasty old number.

Soooo ... I suggest that we avoid saying that a "1.6X
factor applied to a 50mm creates a FF equivalent FL
of 80mm" when we could more informatively say that
a "1.6X factor transforms a lens from "normal to mild
telephoto" ... or "mid tele" to "longer tele", or "ultra
wide" to "general purpose wide" ... etc etc. Acoarst if
the factor is 2X, we say it transforms an "ultra wide"
to a "normal", etc etc.

==============================


The noob can use this info at face value. If a noob
wants to know WHY this happens, well THEN it is
the time to bring up those "scary numbers". It's sad
but people seem to find numbers unsettling but that
words are OK. So, less numbers, use more words.
Perhaps less precise, but perhaps much friendlier.
Noobs choke on precision, they want a digestible
explanation, in plain language.

Just MNSHO !

.

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Jan 27, 2019 22:05:06   #
gwilliams6
 
Canon sees a grim future for the camera business: the digital camera market is likely to shrink by half in the next two years

Read more:https://photorumors.com/2019/01/27/canon-sees-a-grim-future-for-the-camera-business-the-digital-camera-market-is-likely-to-shrink-by-half-in-the-next-two-years/#ixzz5drqRPdbA



https://photorumors.com/2019/01/27/canon-sees-a-grim-future-for-the-camera-business-the-digital-camera-market-is-likely-to-shrink-by-half-in-the-next-two-years/?fbclid=IwAR1dhQAwNYnrS6y7KHQCdcywYp4w6SJr_vCPi37m-_-LtHkYmAgCvo6GIC8



IMHO, although the overall market is shrinking. I disagree it will shrink by half in the next two years. The Olympics coming up will fuel interest in all the great gear being introduced in 2019 and 2020. Maybe Canon wants an "out" to slowing down their introduction of new gear, and/or their shrinking share of the market against tougher competition.

Canon profit figures (the ones allowed to be released) show they are making less and less percentage of their total profit from consumer cameras and more percentage of their total profit from their corporate and medical products.

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Jan 28, 2019 16:10:26   #
topcat Loc: Alameda, CA
 
joer wrote:
Change is difficult, more so for some than others. There was a time when mirrorless users were defending there gear choise. Now it seems to be the DSLR users who are on the defense.

If heavily invested in DSLR gear and are unwilling or unable to switch I can understand the reluctance to accept mirrorless. It can be a costly move, but in time it will become more costly since the value of used gear will decline.

As for buying a new DSLR, any advantage they had is gone, even Canikon recognizes this. The DSLR sales are declining rapidly in favor of mirrorless. Their hay-day is past.

Do you need a mirrorless camera to take good images?...of course not, but it makes it easier.

Mirrorless too will have a limited life spanl, as computational photography advances. There will be no need for a stand alone camera with weight and bulk as it is becoming a function rich imaging feature in a multi-functional device.

The masses already recognize this but conventional photography clings to what they know. But then isn't that the way its always been.
Change is difficult, more so for some than others.... (show quote)



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Feb 13, 2019 18:45:25   #
gwilliams6
 
Graphs show DSLR VS MIRRORLESS 2014-2018 ; AND 2018 graphics of camera sales Worldwide and by region.

https://nikonrumors.com/2019/02/11/2018-camera-industry-infographics.aspx/

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Feb 13, 2019 21:29:17   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
CatMarley wrote:
HaHa! You THINK you will continue to use your DSLR primarily. You won't.


I agree, once you get your hands on a current mirrorless camera that DSLR will send most of its time in the closet.

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Feb 13, 2019 21:40:52   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
User ID wrote:
That horse is not just dead, it smells reeeeeally bad !

Suggestion TWIMC:

Concerning the technically true statement that ".....
crop factor does not change the focal length of a lens.
It changes the field of view of the lens."


I suggest that "field of view" be replaced with perhaps
"category" or "purpose" ... cuz THAT is what the crop
factor actually DOES change. Questions about the crop
factor are by definition noob questions. I believe that
my suggestion avoids tech jargon like "focal length",
which is [heaven help us] a NUMBER [scary] and so it
replaces numeric data [FL] with plain words about the
use or purpose of lenses. "Purpose" [formerly "Field of
View"] is then expressed in ordinary words rather than
by reference to "FF equivalent FL", a nasty old number.

Soooo ... I suggest that we avoid saying that a "1.6X
factor applied to a 50mm creates a FF equivalent FL
of 80mm" when we could more informatively say that
a "1.6X factor transforms a lens from "normal to mild
telephoto" ... or "mid tele" to "longer tele", or "ultra
wide" to "general purpose wide" ... etc etc. Acoarst if
the factor is 2X, we say it transforms an "ultra wide"
to a "normal", etc etc.

==============================


The noob can use this info at face value. If a noob
wants to know WHY this happens, well THEN it is
the time to bring up those "scary numbers". It's sad
but people seem to find numbers unsettling but that
words are OK. So, less numbers, use more words.
Perhaps less precise, but perhaps much friendlier.
Noobs choke on precision, they want a digestible
explanation, in plain language.

Just MNSHO !

.
That horse is not just dead, it smells reeeeeally ... (show quote)


Great in theory. But if it was only done on UHH and folks visited several forums or watched videos that didn't pick up on your ideas ... I feel sorry for the folks you want to help.

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Feb 13, 2019 22:12:37   #
frjack Loc: Boston, MA
 
Have used Olympus all of my digital photography life. When the company discontinued DSLRs moving to mirrorless was the only choice, as I was able to use the same lenses via an adapter (that worked perfectly). The most important aspect of the EM1 mark ii in my work is the silent shutter. I shoot in churches and monasteries on a regular basis. Last summer I did the photography for a friend's final vow Mass. The superior who celebrated the vow Mass in a huge church that was packed did not know I was there until the reception as he did not hear the shutter slap. Given the acoustics of that particular building a DSLR would have sounded like a cap gun.

I like the EVF in that it has a ton of data on the screen. As I've no idea how to use the video functions and no desire to ever shoot it there is no comment on that.

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Feb 13, 2019 22:18:07   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
frjack wrote:
Have used Olympus all of my digital photography life. When the company discontinued DSLRs moving to mirrorless was the only choice, as I was able to use the same lenses via an adapter (that worked perfectly). The most important aspect of the EM1 mark ii in my work is the silent shutter. I shoot in churches and monasteries on a regular basis. Last summer I did the photography for a friend's final vow Mass. The superior who celebrated the vow Mass in a huge church that was packed did not know I was there until the reception as he did not hear the shutter slap. Given the acoustics of that particular building a DSLR would have sounded like a cap gun.

I like the EVF in that it has a ton of data on the screen. As I've no idea how to use the video functions and no desire to ever shoot it there is no comment on that.
Have used Olympus all of my digital photography li... (show quote)


Based on your comments can we assume it also has better than average low light capabilities?

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Feb 14, 2019 00:06:30   #
frjack Loc: Boston, MA
 
It has good low light. The html will bring up two photos from a monastery at high ISO and low light. Parameters included with the photos.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-566712-1.html

Am very pleased with the camera after having it for about a year. Have used my old DSLR lenses (am keeping the DSLR) with adapter as well as native pro lenses for the EM1 mk ii. Am not familiar with the other Olympus mirrorless bodies.

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Feb 14, 2019 06:06:41   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
wackywayne wrote:
How do they work, the advantage and disadvantages compaired to DSl's.


They are lighter and they are mirrorless. They are capable of making good images. They shoot RAW or JGP. They are not better than DSLRs in my opinion. I own 4 mirrorless cameras. I use them along with my DSLRs. I use whatever camera I think will do the job I want done.

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