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Jan 19, 2019 10:21:52   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Ok, folks, we’re off on another adventure in photographic exposure. Since a lot of you found the first installment ( https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-574357-1.html ) enjoyable and enlightening, let’s do another installment. This time it’s going to get a bit sloppy, as we’ll be using water, various sized containers, and a rather large pipe with some special fittings. The fittings are composed of a device which will permit us to vary an opening through which the water will flow, the DIAMETER fitting, (Aperture). This changes the DiAMETER from fully open to something the size of a soda straw. The other fitting is a VALVE, (Shutter). This VALVE can be opened and closed very quickly controlling how long the water can flow through the DIAMETER we set. These fitting are in line with one another.

Let’s start with our container. Imagine GLASSES Sensor or Film). These are cylindrical and vary in height (ISO), but all are the same size around. This is to keep things simple. For our lab work today, our job is to fill a GLASS. It doesn't matter which one. We just need to fill one. The very tallest GLASS is labeled 100. The next tallest size is 200, the next 400, 800, and finally 1600. The 1600 GLASS is the shortest of the group. The idea is that we need to fill whichever GLASS we choose right to the very brim. We can’t allow any water to run over the top. Nor, can we stop filling the GLASS short of right to the top. So, we don’t want to over fill or under fill whichever GLASS we choose to use.

Now our pipe with an unlimited amount of water is close to being the size of a fire hose. We can vary the inside DIAMETER with one lever marked DIAMETER. The other lever is marked VALVE. These are fitted in line in the delivery nozzle. So, let’s pick a GLASS and place it under the nozzle and start our adventure in filling a GLASS.

We’ll pick the GLASS marked 400. We leave our DIAMETER setting wide open. We take the VALVE lever and pull it open and push it closed. Wow!!! Water all over the place. The water came gushing out of the nozzle, hit the GLASS, overflowed, and it’s clean up time. That didn’t work so well, did it?. How to solve this problem. Let’s close the DIAMETER a bit. Since we don’t want another mess let’s close it quite a bit. We open the VALVE for the same amount of time and water flows at a much more manageable rate but doesn't fill the GLASS right to the top. Hmmm, we need to make another adjustment. We'll leave the VALVE open for a bit longer period of time. Ah, that worked. The GLASS is filled right to the brim and no overflow. Perfect!!!

What we’ve discovered is that the right combination of DIAMETER and VALVE allows us to precisely control the amount of water entering the GLASS and fill it exactly. At this point, we decide to experiment a bit. We notice that if we open the DIAMETER setting a bit, we don’t need to open the VALVE for quite a long to accomplish a satisfactory GLASS fill. We then close the DIAMETER setting a bit and we now need to leave the VALVE open for a longer period of time to accomplish the same satisfactory GLASS fill. So, there is a relationship between how large the DIAMETER is set and how long we need to leave the VALVE open and vice versa.

We have marked this relationship noting the setting indications on the DIAMETER and VALVE. So, let’s change the GLASS. We take the next smallest size, the one marked 200. We place that under our nozzle and have our DIAMETER and VALVE settings the same as with the GLASS marked 400. We open the VALVE and close the VALVE. Wow!!! The water only filled 1/2 of the GLASS. Hmmm. What happened? The GLASS is taller and therefore needs more water to fill it. We need to either open the DIAMETER a bit or open the VALVE for a longer time. It’s a matter of letting more water in, in the same amount of time, or letting the same flow of water in for a longer time.

After mopping up some of our missteps, we take a few minutes to ponder and observe. There seems to be a relationship between how much water is needed to fill the GLASS we choose, the size to which the DIAMETER is set and how long we leave the VALVE open. We also notice that we can fiddle with the DIAMETER and that requires us to fiddle with the VALVE and vice versa. We further notice that if we change the size of the container, we have to adjust the DIAMETER or the VALVE, or both accordingly to obtain a satisfactory fill. With all of this filling we concluded that if we change one item, we have to change something else to accomplish the same perfect fill.

We also notice an oddity here. There seems to be somethings that don’t make intuitive sense. The larger the number on the GLASS the smaller the GLASS. We also notice some setting markings on the DIAMETER and the VALVE. The first marking on the DIAMETER is a small number, but the opening is the largest. As we move to larger numbers the opening gets smaller. It’s odd, but with practice, we’ll know exactly the DIAMETER we’re setting and can repeat that setting whenever we want. The same can be said of the numbers on the VALVE. There's a whole number, 1, followed by fractions. The smaller the number on the bottom of the fraction, the faster the VALVE will open and close.

Well, we’ve been at this quite a while now, and it’s getting late. What’s going on? It seems that the later it gets, the less water pressure we are seeing in the system. No worries, we can still fill our GLASS, but we’ll have to adjust for the less pressure by using a larger DIAMETER or leaving the VALVE open longer. If we really need to get a GLASS filled, we might have to choose one of the ones marked with the larger number. Remember the object is to fill a GLASS, we’re not fussy about which one.

This, very simply put, is the way exposure works in your camera. The light-sensitive material is the SENSOR and ISO (GLASS and its SIZE), it can be set to fill more quickly or slowly as needed. Once set, the SHUTTER (VALVE) allows light to flow through the lens for a precise amount of time and the APERTURE (VALVE) controls how much light can flow through. Working together, under your control, the correct settings are made and the optimum exposure is accomplished.
--Bob

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Jan 19, 2019 10:35:03   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
This is very similar to the example my first photography teacher used. It clicked with me the first time I heard it, fifty some years ago. It still does.

Andy

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Jan 19, 2019 10:46:27   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
rmalarz wrote:
Ok, folks, we’re off on another adventure in photographic exposure. Since a lot of you found the first installment ( https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-574357-1.html ) enjoyable and enlightening, let’s do another installment. This time it’s going to get a bit sloppy, as we’ll be using water, various sized containers, and a rather large pipe with some special fittings. The fittings are composed of a device which will permit us to vary an opening through which the water will flow, the DIAMETER fitting, (Aperture). This changes the DiAMETER from fully open to something the size of a soda straw. The other fitting is a VALVE, (Shutter). This VALVE can be opened and closed very quickly controlling how long the water can flow through the DIAMETER we set. These fitting are in line with one another.

Let’s start with our container. Imagine GLASSES Sensor or Film). These are cylindrical and vary in height (ISO), but all are the same size around. This is to keep things simple. For our lab work today, our job is to fill a GLASS. It doesn't matter which one. We just need to fill one. The very tallest GLASS is labeled 100. The next tallest size is 200, the next 400, 800, and finally 1600. The 1600 GLASS is the shortest of the group. The idea is that we need to fill whichever GLASS we choose right to the very brim. We can’t allow any water to run over the top. Nor, can we stop filling the GLASS short of right to the top. So, we don’t want to over fill or under fill whichever GLASS we choose to use.

Now our pipe with an unlimited amount of water is close to being the size of a fire hose. We can vary the inside DIAMETER with one lever marked DIAMETER. The other lever is marked VALVE. These are fitted in line in the delivery nozzle. So, let’s pick a GLASS and place it under the nozzle and start our adventure in filling a GLASS.

We’ll pick the GLASS marked 400. We leave our DIAMETER setting wide open. We take the VALVE lever and pull it open and push it closed. Wow!!! Water all over the place. The water came gushing out of the nozzle, hit the GLASS, overflowed, and it’s clean up time. That didn’t work so well, did it?. How to solve this problem. Let’s close the DIAMETER a bit. Since we don’t want another mess let’s close it quite a bit. We open the VALVE for the same amount of time and water flows at a much more manageable rate but doesn't fill the GLASS right to the top. Hmmm, we need to make another adjustment. We'll leave the VALVE open for a bit longer period of time. Ah, that worked. The GLASS is filled right to the brim and no overflow. Perfect!!!

What we’ve discovered is that the right combination of DIAMETER and VALVE allows us to precisely control the amount of water entering the GLASS and fill it exactly. At this point, we decide to experiment a bit. We notice that if we open the DIAMETER setting a bit, we don’t need to open the VALVE for quite a long to accomplish a satisfactory GLASS fill. We then close the DIAMETER setting a bit and we now need to leave the VALVE open for a longer period of time to accomplish the same satisfactory GLASS fill. So, there is a relationship between how large the DIAMETER is set and how long we need to leave the VALVE open and vice versa.

We have marked this relationship noting the setting indications on the DIAMETER and VALVE. So, let’s change the GLASS. We take the next smallest size, the one marked 200. We place that under our nozzle and have our DIAMETER and VALVE settings the same as with the GLASS marked 400. We open the VALVE and close the VALVE. Wow!!! The water only filled 1/2 of the GLASS. Hmmm. What happened? The GLASS is taller and therefore needs more water to fill it. We need to either open the DIAMETER a bit or open the VALVE for a longer time. It’s a matter of letting more water in, in the same amount of time, or letting the same flow of water in for a longer time.

After mopping up some of our missteps, we take a few minutes to ponder and observe. There seems to be a relationship between how much water is needed to fill the GLASS we choose, the size to which the DIAMETER is set and how long we leave the VALVE open. We also notice that we can fiddle with the DIAMETER and that requires us to fiddle with the VALVE and vice versa. We further notice that if we change the size of the container, we have to adjust the DIAMETER or the VALVE, or both accordingly to obtain a satisfactory fill. With all of this filling we concluded that if we change one item, we have to change something else to accomplish the same perfect fill.

We also notice an oddity here. There seems to be somethings that don’t make intuitive sense. The larger the number on the GLASS the smaller the GLASS. We also notice some setting markings on the DIAMETER and the VALVE. The first marking on the DIAMETER is a small number, but the opening is the largest. As we move to larger numbers the opening gets smaller. It’s odd, but with practice, we’ll know exactly the DIAMETER we’re setting and can repeat that setting whenever we want. The same can be said of the numbers on the VALVE. There's a whole number, 1, followed by fractions. The smaller the number on the bottom of the fraction, the faster the VALVE will open and close.

Well, we’ve been at this quite a while now, and it’s getting late. What’s going on? It seems that the later it gets, the less water pressure we are seeing in the system. No worries, we can still fill our GLASS, but we’ll have to adjust for the less pressure by using a larger DIAMETER or leaving the VALVE open longer. If we really need to get a GLASS filled, we might have to choose one of the ones marked with the larger number. Remember the object is to fill a GLASS, we’re not fussy about which one.

This, very simply put, is the way exposure works in your camera. The light-sensitive material is the SENSOR and ISO (GLASS and its SIZE), it can be set to fill more quickly or slowly as needed. Once set, the SHUTTER (VALVE) allows light to flow through the lens for a precise amount of time and the APERTURE (VALVE) controls how much light can flow through. Working together, under your control, the correct settings are made and the optimum exposure is accomplished.
--Bob
Ok, folks, we’re off on another adventure in photo... (show quote)


Well done Bob.....it seems water can be used to explain a lot of things........ Well written and explained.

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Jan 19, 2019 10:52:52   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
Terrific, Bob. (Part 1 & Part 2). I've seen the analogy before, but your style and descriptions are fabulous!! Just like your images - well composed! I'm sure many will find it enlightening.
Thanks for posting!
Mark
rmalarz wrote:
Ok, folks, we’re off on another adventure in photographic exposure. Since a lot of you found the first installment ( https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-574357-1.html ) enjoyable and enlightening, let’s do another installment. This time it’s going to get a bit sloppy, as we’ll be using water, various sized containers, and a rather large pipe with some special fittings. The fittings are composed of a device which will permit us to vary an opening through which the water will flow, the DIAMETER fitting, (Aperture). This changes the DiAMETER from fully open to something the size of a soda straw. The other fitting is a VALVE, (Shutter). This VALVE can be opened and closed very quickly controlling how long the water can flow through the DIAMETER we set. These fitting are in line with one another.

Let’s start with our container. Imagine GLASSES Sensor or Film). These are cylindrical and vary in height (ISO), but all are the same size around. This is to keep things simple. For our lab work today, our job is to fill a GLASS. It doesn't matter which one. We just need to fill one. The very tallest GLASS is labeled 100. The next tallest size is 200, the next 400, 800, and finally 1600. The 1600 GLASS is the shortest of the group. The idea is that we need to fill whichever GLASS we choose right to the very brim. We can’t allow any water to run over the top. Nor, can we stop filling the GLASS short of right to the top. So, we don’t want to over fill or under fill whichever GLASS we choose to use.

Now our pipe with an unlimited amount of water is close to being the size of a fire hose. We can vary the inside DIAMETER with one lever marked DIAMETER. The other lever is marked VALVE. These are fitted in line in the delivery nozzle. So, let’s pick a GLASS and place it under the nozzle and start our adventure in filling a GLASS.

We’ll pick the GLASS marked 400. We leave our DIAMETER setting wide open. We take the VALVE lever and pull it open and push it closed. Wow!!! Water all over the place. The water came gushing out of the nozzle, hit the GLASS, overflowed, and it’s clean up time. That didn’t work so well, did it?. How to solve this problem. Let’s close the DIAMETER a bit. Since we don’t want another mess let’s close it quite a bit. We open the VALVE for the same amount of time and water flows at a much more manageable rate but doesn't fill the GLASS right to the top. Hmmm, we need to make another adjustment. We'll leave the VALVE open for a bit longer period of time. Ah, that worked. The GLASS is filled right to the brim and no overflow. Perfect!!!

What we’ve discovered is that the right combination of DIAMETER and VALVE allows us to precisely control the amount of water entering the GLASS and fill it exactly. At this point, we decide to experiment a bit. We notice that if we open the DIAMETER setting a bit, we don’t need to open the VALVE for quite a long to accomplish a satisfactory GLASS fill. We then close the DIAMETER setting a bit and we now need to leave the VALVE open for a longer period of time to accomplish the same satisfactory GLASS fill. So, there is a relationship between how large the DIAMETER is set and how long we need to leave the VALVE open and vice versa.

We have marked this relationship noting the setting indications on the DIAMETER and VALVE. So, let’s change the GLASS. We take the next smallest size, the one marked 200. We place that under our nozzle and have our DIAMETER and VALVE settings the same as with the GLASS marked 400. We open the VALVE and close the VALVE. Wow!!! The water only filled 1/2 of the GLASS. Hmmm. What happened? The GLASS is taller and therefore needs more water to fill it. We need to either open the DIAMETER a bit or open the VALVE for a longer time. It’s a matter of letting more water in, in the same amount of time, or letting the same flow of water in for a longer time.

After mopping up some of our missteps, we take a few minutes to ponder and observe. There seems to be a relationship between how much water is needed to fill the GLASS we choose, the size to which the DIAMETER is set and how long we leave the VALVE open. We also notice that we can fiddle with the DIAMETER and that requires us to fiddle with the VALVE and vice versa. We further notice that if we change the size of the container, we have to adjust the DIAMETER or the VALVE, or both accordingly to obtain a satisfactory fill. With all of this filling we concluded that if we change one item, we have to change something else to accomplish the same perfect fill.

We also notice an oddity here. There seems to be somethings that don’t make intuitive sense. The larger the number on the GLASS the smaller the GLASS. We also notice some setting markings on the DIAMETER and the VALVE. The first marking on the DIAMETER is a small number, but the opening is the largest. As we move to larger numbers the opening gets smaller. It’s odd, but with practice, we’ll know exactly the DIAMETER we’re setting and can repeat that setting whenever we want. The same can be said of the numbers on the VALVE. There's a whole number, 1, followed by fractions. The smaller the number on the bottom of the fraction, the faster the VALVE will open and close.

Well, we’ve been at this quite a while now, and it’s getting late. What’s going on? It seems that the later it gets, the less water pressure we are seeing in the system. No worries, we can still fill our GLASS, but we’ll have to adjust for the less pressure by using a larger DIAMETER or leaving the VALVE open longer. If we really need to get a GLASS filled, we might have to choose one of the ones marked with the larger number. Remember the object is to fill a GLASS, we’re not fussy about which one.

This, very simply put, is the way exposure works in your camera. The light-sensitive material is the SENSOR and ISO (GLASS and its SIZE), it can be set to fill more quickly or slowly as needed. Once set, the SHUTTER (VALVE) allows light to flow through the lens for a precise amount of time and the APERTURE (VALVE) controls how much light can flow through. Working together, under your control, the correct settings are made and the optimum exposure is accomplished.
--Bob
Ok, folks, we’re off on another adventure in photo... (show quote)

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Jan 19, 2019 11:15:03   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Thanks, Mark. I appreciate the supportive comment. The images I post are the direct result of what I wrote, and will post additionally.
--Bob
markngolf wrote:
Terrific, Bob. (Part 1 & Part 2). I've seen the analogy before, but your style and descriptions are fabulous!! Just like your images - well composed! I'm sure many will find it enlightening.
Thanks for posting!
Mark

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Jan 19, 2019 11:25:31   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
rmalarz wrote:
Ok, folks, we’re off on another adventure in photographic exposure. Since a lot of you found the first installment ( https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-574357-1.html ) enjoyable and enlightening, let’s do another installment. This time it’s going to get a bit sloppy, as we’ll be using water, various sized containers, and a rather large pipe with some special fittings. The fittings are composed of a device which will permit us to vary an opening through which the water will flow, the DIAMETER fitting, (Aperture). This changes the DiAMETER from fully open to something the size of a soda straw. The other fitting is a VALVE, (Shutter). This VALVE can be opened and closed very quickly controlling how long the water can flow through the DIAMETER we set. These fitting are in line with one another.

Let’s start with our container. Imagine GLASSES Sensor or Film). These are cylindrical and vary in height (ISO), but all are the same size around. This is to keep things simple. For our lab work today, our job is to fill a GLASS. It doesn't matter which one. We just need to fill one. The very tallest GLASS is labeled 100. The next tallest size is 200, the next 400, 800, and finally 1600. The 1600 GLASS is the shortest of the group. The idea is that we need to fill whichever GLASS we choose right to the very brim. We can’t allow any water to run over the top. Nor, can we stop filling the GLASS short of right to the top. So, we don’t want to over fill or under fill whichever GLASS we choose to use.

Now our pipe with an unlimited amount of water is close to being the size of a fire hose. We can vary the inside DIAMETER with one lever marked DIAMETER. The other lever is marked VALVE. These are fitted in line in the delivery nozzle. So, let’s pick a GLASS and place it under the nozzle and start our adventure in filling a GLASS.

We’ll pick the GLASS marked 400. We leave our DIAMETER setting wide open. We take the VALVE lever and pull it open and push it closed. Wow!!! Water all over the place. The water came gushing out of the nozzle, hit the GLASS, overflowed, and it’s clean up time. That didn’t work so well, did it?. How to solve this problem. Let’s close the DIAMETER a bit. Since we don’t want another mess let’s close it quite a bit. We open the VALVE for the same amount of time and water flows at a much more manageable rate but doesn't fill the GLASS right to the top. Hmmm, we need to make another adjustment. We'll leave the VALVE open for a bit longer period of time. Ah, that worked. The GLASS is filled right to the brim and no overflow. Perfect!!!

What we’ve discovered is that the right combination of DIAMETER and VALVE allows us to precisely control the amount of water entering the GLASS and fill it exactly. At this point, we decide to experiment a bit. We notice that if we open the DIAMETER setting a bit, we don’t need to open the VALVE for quite a long to accomplish a satisfactory GLASS fill. We then close the DIAMETER setting a bit and we now need to leave the VALVE open for a longer period of time to accomplish the same satisfactory GLASS fill. So, there is a relationship between how large the DIAMETER is set and how long we need to leave the VALVE open and vice versa.

We have marked this relationship noting the setting indications on the DIAMETER and VALVE. So, let’s change the GLASS. We take the next smallest size, the one marked 200. We place that under our nozzle and have our DIAMETER and VALVE settings the same as with the GLASS marked 400. We open the VALVE and close the VALVE. Wow!!! The water only filled 1/2 of the GLASS. Hmmm. What happened? The GLASS is taller and therefore needs more water to fill it. We need to either open the DIAMETER a bit or open the VALVE for a longer time. It’s a matter of letting more water in, in the same amount of time, or letting the same flow of water in for a longer time.

After mopping up some of our missteps, we take a few minutes to ponder and observe. There seems to be a relationship between how much water is needed to fill the GLASS we choose, the size to which the DIAMETER is set and how long we leave the VALVE open. We also notice that we can fiddle with the DIAMETER and that requires us to fiddle with the VALVE and vice versa. We further notice that if we change the size of the container, we have to adjust the DIAMETER or the VALVE, or both accordingly to obtain a satisfactory fill. With all of this filling we concluded that if we change one item, we have to change something else to accomplish the same perfect fill.

We also notice an oddity here. There seems to be somethings that don’t make intuitive sense. The larger the number on the GLASS the smaller the GLASS. We also notice some setting markings on the DIAMETER and the VALVE. The first marking on the DIAMETER is a small number, but the opening is the largest. As we move to larger numbers the opening gets smaller. It’s odd, but with practice, we’ll know exactly the DIAMETER we’re setting and can repeat that setting whenever we want. The same can be said of the numbers on the VALVE. There's a whole number, 1, followed by fractions. The smaller the number on the bottom of the fraction, the faster the VALVE will open and close.

Well, we’ve been at this quite a while now, and it’s getting late. What’s going on? It seems that the later it gets, the less water pressure we are seeing in the system. No worries, we can still fill our GLASS, but we’ll have to adjust for the less pressure by using a larger DIAMETER or leaving the VALVE open longer. If we really need to get a GLASS filled, we might have to choose one of the ones marked with the larger number. Remember the object is to fill a GLASS, we’re not fussy about which one.

This, very simply put, is the way exposure works in your camera. The light-sensitive material is the SENSOR and ISO (GLASS and its SIZE), it can be set to fill more quickly or slowly as needed. Once set, the SHUTTER (VALVE) allows light to flow through the lens for a precise amount of time and the APERTURE (VALVE) controls how much light can flow through. Working together, under your control, the correct settings are made and the optimum exposure is accomplished.
--Bob
Ok, folks, we’re off on another adventure in photo... (show quote)

Now that may be an awful lot for a novice to swallow.

But we learned early in life that we could chug a beer a lot faster from a mug than through a straw.

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Jan 19, 2019 11:39:21   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
selmslie wrote:
But we learned early in life that we could chug a beer a lot faster from a mug than through a straw.


Tastes very different, though...

Andy

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Jan 19, 2019 11:43:27   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
AndyH wrote:
Tastes very different, though...

Andy

Does it? I never used a straw.

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Jan 19, 2019 11:47:05   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
selmslie wrote:
Does it? I never used a straw.


Knowledge or beer?

Andy

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Jan 19, 2019 11:59:22   #
pesfls Loc: Oregon, USA
 
good job Bob

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Jan 19, 2019 12:02:13   #
pesfls Loc: Oregon, USA
 
selmslie wrote:
Now that may be an awful lot for a novice to swallow.

But we learned early in life that we could chug a beer a lot faster from a mug than through a straw.


That’s because of friction loss. The formula is 2Q squared plus Q. Sorry, just an old retired firefighter musing. You’ve raised a fair analogy.

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Jan 19, 2019 12:06:25   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
selmslie wrote:
Now that may be an awful lot for a novice to swallow.

But we learned early in life that we could chug a beer a lot faster from a mug than through a straw.


If the novice is thirsting for knowledge.................................

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Jan 19, 2019 14:10:00   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
selmslie wrote:
Now that may be an awful lot for a novice to swallow.

But we learned early in life that we could chug a beer a lot faster from a mug than through a straw.


Especially when the valve/shutter (throat) is open..........thanks for the laugh..BTW, I make my own beer and never chug, I sip it like whiskey, or wine.

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Jan 19, 2019 14:30:39   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Good analogy Bob! Kudos for taking the time to write it. I have tried to explain the concept of saving money to myGF in a simailar manner using a pond and a small stream of water that flows at different rates and sometimes not at all. I could tell by the blank stare I was getting that it didn’t take. Unfortunately on-line we can’t detect the blank stare. So for those of us who understand, it makes perfect sense.

I would like to hear from those who are new and struggling, with these concepts. Did this help clarify it? And what are your questions?

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Jan 19, 2019 16:26:02   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
Good job again Bob! Hope the new folks will continue to follow.

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