Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

The Cliff Notes Version: Women are changing, becoming more in control. I lurk and post here on the Hog to discover what the more conservative male opinion about women are, who are out of their clothes.

I am not doing this to be controversial. That would be trollish and non-productive. I do see the Ugly Hedge Hog as a rather conservative venue. I am honestly seeking the opinions of a public that has certain ideas of what the image of the nude females is a fascination. In the process I hop to find answers to questions that I have with regards to how the contemporary sense of this subject is held.

There is no good or bad opinions. There are no correct answers to this age long fascination that men in particular have and will have into the long future that men will have. It is there, it is and always will be there, this erotic obsession with naked ladies.

My own delight with my voyeuristic obsession is often tempered with a certain distance from the subject. I find that a certain amount of detachment facilitates my own better informed ideas of what is going on with the modern woman.

This is what I'm doing here and what I am interested in better understanding. Contemporary women have been coming out of the closet of repression and doing quite well at achieving their agendas, their desires. Again, why here? This is a hot bed of the pure 'white knight' or if you like 'Daddy knows best'. It is like the community of San Antonio Texas where I reside (and not by accident). Here women are sandwiched between fathers/brothers and the Roman Catholic Church. (To help illustrate this, there is a rather odd fact that emerged, Playboy Publications could never find a Latina woman who would consider the mantel of Playmate out of San Antonio. Another contemporary reality is that the money/power of the Southern US is in the hands of the women, and that the matrons instruct their daughters to keep control of that power.)

So we are left with essentially two types of women in the contemporary scene, then again it has always been this way. Sorry, men are great at deluding themselves from this reality of dualism in women. There are the followers and then there are the leaders. The leaders are asserting new and moving directions for the society. To keep it simple we can refer to this new progressive group with the name parthenos. (To better understand this you can look into a literary work of scholarly dimension titled Dreamtime, by Hans Peter Duerr, get the English translation from the German by Felicitas Goodman. Goodman has taken on the task of translating the main body of the work as well as the extensive footnotes.)

No better way to grasp what has been, what is occurring and what will be happening in our immediate future as regards women in our society.

Now for your daily challenge.
This photograph is old and historic. It is in the public domain (even Getty can't control it! LOL!!!). What do you think? Look quite closely, yes nude women. See the woman on the right side, blind. Most likely blind at birth, probably a sexually transmitted disease. Now look at these women's individual expressions. Now think, if you are blind how do you do this in front of a camera?

It is one of my vary favorite photographs I have ever seen.

davefales Loc: Virginia

"Now think, if you are blind how do you do this in front of a camera? "

Help us out. Do what exactly? Smile? Pose without clothes?
Did Newman shoot this in the 30s?

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

Help me out 'Newman' is that Alfred E. Newman, from Mad Magazine. This is a historic photograph in the style that is often referred to as 'French Postcards' putting it in the period of 1880 to 19 teens.

If you mean Arnold Newman then you are trying to pull my leg, har-hardy Har! Arnold did NOT do nudes, only portraits.

Hope that helps with clarity.

davefales Loc: Virginia

Guess I was confused by this:
"MFA University of Texas San Antonio. My portrait by Arnold Newman."

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

MFA=Master of Fine Arts, a terminal degree (being the equivalent of a PhD) from the University of Texas. The thumbnail image is a portrait of myself made by Arnold Newman.

Both are important as I am stating the 'copy write' to Arnold Newman the photographer.

The MFA is required by my university to a location like Hog, where criticism is an important part of the purpose in the activity of this social site. Personal opinions are not a feature of a trained and certificated individual. Going about saying I like this, or I don't like that, change the expression, or why did you make the image in B&W and not color, are regarded as inappropriate and outside the bounds of proper criticism. I was exposed and taught to follow formal guide lines of criticism, and so must if I am being correct in my criticism. Not to do so would be much like having a psychologist tell you 'your crazy' or 'socially dysfunctional' as these are mere opinion, it violates the code of ethics that we are required to follow by our institutions.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

A Master of Fine Arts is not a terminal degree. A Doctor of Fine Arts (DFA) is a terminal degree.
Stop writing crap and go take some pictures.

Bill Munny Loc: Aurora, Colorado

So well stated. Looks like he is trying to be another Chris T. but has hit a bit of confusion. And I must be considered a lower educated type person with only a masters in theoretical physics, and a retired rocket scientist with a background in CIA/ISR. Oh, the pain of it all.

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

I am terribly sorry with your lack of knowledge of the American University system but my MFA from the University of Texas is a terminal degree. It has the same status as the PhD programs. RID and UNM have MFA's and are also terminal degrees, just go as the Art Historians with PhD's. In fact of point the UNM (University of New Mexico) was one of the foundational programs to establish the modern MFA programs in the United States. Perhaps you should become informed before you go bounding around with your tripe.

Reporting this to the Web Master.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

A terminal degree is a university degree that can signify one of two outcomes. In some cases, it is the highest degree that can be awarded in a specific academic or professional track. In other cases, it is a degree that is awarded when a candidate completes a certain amount of coursework but does not go on to doctoral work.[1][2] Some students enroll in a terminal Master's program with the goal of preparing to enter a PhD program.[3] For certain professions and research grants it means the lowest degree to be considered qualified.

An earned academic (or research) doctorate[4] such as a PhD is considered the terminal degree in most academic fields, as well as the most advanced degree possible, advancing the boundaries of human knowledge through research and dissertation defense, in the United States. However, professional doctorates may be considered terminal degrees within the professional degree track, even though they are prerequisites for research degrees. The phrase "terminal degree" is used heavily in the United States, but is used less often outside that country. The term is not generally used in the United Kingdom or Canada, for example, and its exact meaning varies somewhat between those areas and disciplines in which the term is used. In some countries there are degrees which are more advanced than the PhD, such as the higher doctorates in the United Kingdom and Russia, and the habilitation degree awarded in Germany, where this degree would be equivalent to a Doctor of Philosophy in the United States .

"Not all terminal degrees are doctorates. For example, in professional practice fields there are often terminal master-level degrees, some which are called doctorates e.g., Doctor of Jurisprudence and Doctor of Medicine, as well as,MEng (Master of Engineering), MLArch and MArch standing for Master Landscape Architect and Master Architect or even bachelor-level degrees such as BArch which stands for Bachelor of Architecture or BEng for Engineers, MB (Bachelor of Medicine - UK). Interior design and Interior Architecture have terminal master-level degrees such as MID, MA, MS Interior design education. Most non-doctoral degrees are not terminal in academic terms, with the exception of the Master of Fine Arts (MFA). The MFA is an academically recognized terminal degree and is given to practitioners in the fine arts and performing arts. The MBA, and the MAT are also considered terminal professional degrees."

I have been schooled.

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

Yes, the same egregious error that is made all the time with the MFA programs. We all wish the program not have the terminology of 'Master' in it but has occurred and is now chiseled in stone. At the University of New Mexico, the MFA program requires the MFA candidacy to qualify and is awarded a Masters in Art History before they can be allowed to advance to candidacy in the final stages of the degree awarded. I had to advance to candidacy by both the tenured faculty holding MFA, and Art Historians with PhD's. I did advance to candidacy and later received the degree of MFA (Master of the Fine Arts) from the Office of the Registrar for the University of Texas at San Antonio with my filed bound paper in the John Peace Library (UTSA).

Yes it gets heated, the MFA faculty at UTSA got a bit tired of this childish game and began referring to each other as 'doctor' when meeting with the PhD's.

But if this if you must, send a PM to my e-mail tsumma@satx.rr.com include your standing and your university and your degree status. I will be pleased to pass that information on to The University of Texas at San Antonio, the Office of the Vice President of Academic Affairs requesting formally that your University instruct you for a formal apology and that dispensary action be give you against further future denigrations of a university and it's fellows.

Or you could just apologize for your foolishness. Or as the ranchers in West Texas are prone to exclaim, "Don't make me no never mind."

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

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Doctor of Fine Arts (D.F.A.) is doctoral degree in fine arts, may be given as an honorary degree (a degree honoris causa) or an earned professional degree (in the UK).

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...Doctoral programmes leading to DFAs are of equivalent level to a PhD, with the same requirement to demonstrate new knowledge, but typically contain a practical component and a more structured programme of learning than a PhD. DFA programmes are offered by universities including University of Hertfordshire and University of East London.

The honorary degree is typically conferred to honor the recipient who has made a significant contribution to society in the arts. Notable individuals who have been conferred the honor include Zamri Zainuddin from Malaysia, Michelle Burton, Frank Stella,[1] Richard Serra,[2] Stephen Colbert,[3] Carmen De Lavallade,[4] Anna Deavere Smith,[4] Jacques d'Amboise,[5] Bill Pullman,[6] Abelardo Morell,[7] Twyla Tharp,[8] Kanye West,[9] Gordon Parks,[10] Jack Nicholson,[11] and Meryl Streep [12]

At Yale University, the DFA is an earned degree conferred on students who hold a Master of Fine Arts degree in dramaturgy and dramatic criticism from the Yale School of Drama, and who have "completed MFA qualifying comprehensive examinations, and have written a dissertation of distinction whose subject has been approved by the DFA committee" of faculty.[13]

In 2016 ELIA (European League of the Institutes of the Arts) launched The Florence Principles on the Doctorate in the Arts.[14] The Florence Principles relating to the Salzburg Principles and the Salzburg Recommendations of EUA (European University Association) name seven points of attention to specify the Doctorate / Ph.D. in the Arts compared to a scientific doctorate / Ph.D. The Florence Principles have been endorsed and are supported also by AEC, CILECT, CUMULUS and SAR.

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

Yes, you have been schooled, yet you lack the civility needed to recognize the degree awarded me. That civility was not expressed with your original post. I am an American and hold an MFA from an American university. I am aware of the differences in other educational institutions and countries educational systems. Still, I am an American with an American university degree.

I have had to explain this so often it is boring. You are boring with your attempt to explain away your poor choice of an insult.

I have had my fair share of PhDs in several fields acknowledge that the MFA is an equivalency and are happy to refer to me as a colleague. By posting my original statement I was not apologizing, only informing others the why and were for of why I will not be telling them that I like or don't like their photography.

I regard this closed, I have no time for individuals on a public forum who want to denigrate myself or the several universities I am associated with.

Now back to playing nice and being done with university trolls.

sb Loc: Florida's East Coast

I don't understand the point of this post.

Dannj

Thanks...thought I was the only one👍

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

[quote=Timmers]Yes, the same egregious error that is made all the time with the MFA programs. We all wish the program not have the terminology of 'Master' in it but has occurred and is now chiseled in stone. At the University of New Mexico, the MFA program requires the MFA candidacy to qualify and is awarded a Masters in Art History before they can be allowed to advance to candidacy in the final stages of the degree awarded. I had to advance to candidacy by both the tenured faculty holding MFA, and Art Historians with PhD's. I did advance to candidacy and later received the degree of MFA (Master of the Fine Arts) from the Office of the Registrar for the University of Texas at San Antonio with my filed bound paper in the John Peace Library (UTSA).

Yes it gets heated, the MFA faculty at UTSA got a bit tired of this childish game and began referring to each other as 'doctor' when meeting with the PhD's.

But if this if you must, send a PM to my e-mail tsumma@satx.rr.com include your standing and your university and your degree status. I will be pleased to pass that information on to The University of Texas at San Antonio, the Office of the Vice President of Academic Affairs requesting formally that your University instruct you for a formal apology and that dispensary action be give you against further future denigrations of a university and it's fellows.

You need to get off your high horse. Many of us here are university-educated and thusly unimpressed with your demeaning comments. You and your degrees aren’t any better than the rest of us and ours. You almost sound narcissistic.