Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
DSLR v Mirrorless
Page <prev 2 of 11 next> last>>
Jan 15, 2019 15:31:08   #
CO
 
I recently rented the Nikon Z6 mirrorless for one week and did a lot of test shots with that camera and my D500. The autofocus system in the D500 is no doubt superior. In low light situations, the Z6 would often hunt, trying to acquire focus. The D500 would nail the focus right away. For anything in motion I would trust the D500's autofocus more. For static subjects, the Z6 does very well.

Reply
Jan 15, 2019 18:09:07   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Strodav wrote:
My local camera shop here in Houston held a major vendor day event a few months back [the day I bought a D850]. Nikon was there and as an EE, I asked several questions about Nikon sensors from several different angles, especially sensors for the D7200, D500, D750 and D850. I was assured Nikon has its own sensor R&D group, they design all their own sensors, but contract out to various CMOS foundries for parts built to Nikon specs and quality standards. Was I lied to?


Were you?
Why are they called Sony sensors?

Reply
Jan 15, 2019 20:33:55   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Were you?
Why are they called Sony sensors?


Don’t know for sure about all their sensors, but it looks like the D850 Sensor is Nikon’s intellectual property (they designed it) and contracted to Sony to build it per Michael Zhang at PetaPixel.

https://petapixel.com/2018/06/15/the-nikon-d850s-sensor-is-made-by-sony-report/

Reply
 
 
Jan 16, 2019 05:43:02   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Nice graphic Cat and easily shows the difference in the two systems. As for me jumping in the mirrorless bandwagon, that's not going to happen. At 72 years old and upgrading last year to the Canon 5D Mk IV and 80D which take stellar images if I do my part, I see no need to change systems.


Those are two great Canon DSLRs you have. One full frame, the other crop sensor. I agree with you. Why change now, when you have invested so much in your equipment already. However, mirrorless technology is the future though. I don't criticize the technology. Mirrorless is selling well now.

Reply
Jan 16, 2019 05:49:44   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
CatMarley wrote:
I found a very nice graphic comparing the guts of the DSLR to the Mirrorless MILC.


Yes. A very nice graphic. Sony has another model they call Translucent Mirror. Some say it is a semi-mirrorless camera. Perhaps, I don't know? They are all crop sensor cameras.

Reply
Jan 16, 2019 06:20:37   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Nice graphic Cat and easily shows the difference in the two systems. As for me jumping in the mirrorless bandwagon, that's not going to happen. At 72 years old and upgrading last year to the Canon 5D Mk IV and 80D which take stellar images if I do my part, I see no need to change systems.


Unfortunately, many on this site do not recognize that option. As long as weight and size are not a complaint, why should anyone change. But there are many that believe that one should only shoot full frame. Or APS-C. Or 4/3rds. It always comes down to what someone wants or needs.

Reply
Jan 16, 2019 06:32:11   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Nice and easy to understand graphic showing the difference. As for me, I used various ones from 1998 through 2010. I was thankful when I got a DSLR. I didn't like the viewfinder lag.
--Bob
CatMarley wrote:
I found a very nice graphic comparing the guts of the DSLR to the Mirrorless MILC.

Reply
 
 
Jan 16, 2019 06:39:14   #
johnst1001a Loc: West Chester, Ohio
 
Same here, 68, bought the 5DMK4 last year. Write ups about the mirrorless cameras do not convince me they take better pictures.

Reply
Jan 16, 2019 06:42:52   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
Vietnam Vet wrote:
Im not going to buy a mirrorless camera either. Getting ready to buy a Canon 1dx2. If I did buy a mirrorless it would be to add to what I have, not replace it. I don't understand why people think that buying a mirrorless camera means they have to get rid of their current equipment.


I agree! I bought. Fuji X-T3 for travel, not to replace my Canon cameras. I consider the Fuji an addition not a replacement.

Reply
Jan 16, 2019 06:51:16   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
EXACTLY what I was thinking.



Architect1776 wrote:
So with so much simplicity in the mirrorless why is it not half the price retail?
I would believe manufacturing is much less and can be more automated.

Reply
Jan 16, 2019 07:16:28   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Nice one. That's why I like DSLRs - more stuff inside.

Reply
 
 
Jan 16, 2019 07:19:03   #
SteveHmeyer Loc: Cincinnati OH USA
 
In my case I wanted to use my Canon FL and FD manual lenses, along with 3rd Party lenses - without extra glass to compensate for the shorter flange focal length of the earlier Canon system.
My first mirrorless was the Canon M but at the time there was no EVF available. Without a view finder hand-held shooting is akward. When the M3 came out I got the EVF and with focus peaking all that old glass was available and usable. Finally with a Sony A7R II - I also have IS and the old glass is very usable. But I am not dumping my DSLRs - Mirrorless is another great toy!

Reply
Jan 16, 2019 07:23:32   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
burkphoto wrote:
In economics 101, there is this graph of price vs quantity vs marginal cost vs marginal revenue vs maximum revenue. It's still burned into my brain from my days as an econ major.

When manufacturing anything in quantity, there is always a LOT of cost upfront for research, design, engineering, marketing and advertising...

That means the cost of the first unit is astronomical. Make two, and the cost of each unit is cut in half. Make 100, and it's down to 1%. But it's still astronomical. Make (and sell) 100,000, and it is very reasonable!

Manufacturers typically price new goods or services high, for several reasons. First, they want to recoup as much of their startup investment as possible. Second, if the product is any good, they want to take advantage of "new, exciting, innovative, cool," and similar demand drivers. Demand for a product falls over time, as there are fewer likely buyers, competition sets in, and even newer devices become available.

A camera manufacturer might release a body at launch for $1999. But two years later, it is likely to be priced 20% less ($1599). That is the sort of case with several cameras I've followed over the past few years. The company has recouped most of its tooling costs, demand falls, and the price falls to boost demand and take advantage of reduced costs of production due to efficiency. If it is EXTREMELY popular, the price stays the same, because the demand supports it. Apple, for instance, enjoyed a ten year ride with iPhones being priced the same at the beginning of their product cycles, all the way to the introduction of each successive model. Only the new model would knock down the price of the old one. As the market matures, that is changing...

Mirrorless is new, in demand, exciting, etc. Once the dSLR market fades a bit, prices of mirrorless will fall slowly (adjusted for inflation and currency floats).
In economics 101, there is this graph of price vs ... (show quote)


Excellent analysis and explanation on basic economics....Its a shame that its lost on so many in America today.

Reply
Jan 16, 2019 07:36:55   #
Fotomacher Loc: Toronto
 
Vietnam Vet wrote:
Im not going to buy a mirrorless camera either. Getting ready to buy a Canon 1dx2. If I did buy a mirrorless it would be to add to what I have, not replace it. I don't understand why people think that buying a mirrorless camera means they have to get rid of their current equipment.


I quite agree. I have both D810 and E-M1 bodies and lenses which I use in different situations and sometimes simultaneously. Both systems are useful and I am not giving up either one.

Reply
Jan 16, 2019 07:53:35   #
Gspeed Loc: Rhinebeck, NY
 
I like the heft and feel of my Nikon D610. I’ve seen and held Sony’s A600 up close, but I need the hefty lenses and the clunky camera that takes amazing photos to make me feel like a real woman. :-))

Reply
Page <prev 2 of 11 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.