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Jan 14, 2019 12:05:35   #
Burtzy Loc: Bronx N.Y. & Simi Valley, CA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Oh, gawd! I had one of those, briefly! It was one of the biggest false promises in photography back in the 1970s. Here's the skinny:

That lens was made for full frame 35mm cameras. It uses a preset diaphragm (open up to focus, stop down to expose). It has stops from f/6.3 to f/32. On 35mm film, it was an "okay performer for the price" at f/11 and f/16. That meant using a tripod or monopod, and fast film, in broad daylight. Tens of thousands of these were sold under many names, including Soligor and Galaxy in addition to Spiratone.

f/6.3 is past the diffraction limiting aperture of Micro 4/3 sensors (16MP and 20MP). If you were to stop down to f/11, hoping to get better sharpness, you would probably have an offset tradeoff between more diffraction and more sharpness. But it's worth a try.

I'm not saying you wasted your money. At $17.50, it was a steal! Just go into testing it with realistic expectations. It may or may not suit your needs. The contrast is a bit low, resolution is probably not up to your Micro 4/3 capability, and you will need a tripod and good manual focusing techniques. If you have an Olympus or Panasonic with IBIS, try to use IBIS on a monopod. (The only drawback of IBIS is that it works best at focal lengths under 200mm). Keep your shutter speed at 1/800 or faster (1/(focal length x the crop factor of 2.0). Adjust ISO for decent exposure at f/11, or try manual mode with auto ISO if your camera supports it.
Oh, gawd! I had one of those, briefly! It was one ... (show quote)


I have no illusions about the capabilities or lack thereof of the lens. I have been shooting for many years. (I think I learned from Matthew Brady.) My father owned a "kidnapping" studio in in New York in the fifties and I cut my teeth on a bakelite Brownie. In California, I worked for a studio while a student in high school and as well shooting prep sports for the Hollywood Citizen News. (They're long defunct...hmm, maybe I wasn't as good as I thought I was.) I have owned and loved film cameras of all formats up to and including 4X5 all of my life and have continued shooting even during my career as a film editor. In my retirement, I just moved into M 4/3 because of the weight and size difference. I just couldn't pass up the price. I don't expect any miracles. It's just a toy to mess around with.

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Jan 14, 2019 12:16:03   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Burtzy wrote:
I have no illusions about the capabilities or lack thereof of the lens. I have been shooting for many years. (I think I learned from Matthew Brady.) My father owned a "kidnapping" studio in in New York in the fifties and I cut my teeth on a bakelite Brownie. In California, I worked for a studio while a student in high school and as well shooting prep sports for the Hollywood Citizen News. (They're long defunct...hmm, maybe I wasn't as good as I thought I was.) I have owned and loved film cameras of all formats up to and including 4X5 all of my life and have continued shooting even during my career as a film editor. In my retirement, I just moved into M 4/3 because of the weight and size difference. I just couldn't pass up the price. I don't expect any miracles. It's just a toy to mess around with.
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For the uninitiated, kidnapping usually meant a studio designed to take senior portrait business away from the big contract school portrait companies. Those of us in that industry called them "seniornappers". In reality, the folks who went to such studios weren't going to buy from us, anyway. They usually lived on a higher social stratum and paid for better, more personalized work.

I'm a Micro 4/3 user myself (Lumix GH4 and Lumix pro lenses). I do about equal amounts of video and stills recording, and make the occasional film (film-like video) with my twins, who want to be actor/director/filmmakers. The GH4 is great for that.

It's a bit sad to see the sorry state of journalism these days. I was reading Apple News this morning. Nobody, but nobody edits their articles any more! There's an awful trend to say the same thing over and over and over again through an article, just rewording it slightly. Our local papers here are a joke. Fortunately, they have half-decent web sites, but in some ways, they still haven't figured out what to do with the Internet... the print mindset lingers.

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Jan 14, 2019 12:54:52   #
Burtzy Loc: Bronx N.Y. & Simi Valley, CA
 
burkphoto wrote:
For the uninitiated, kidnapping usually meant a studio designed to take senior portrait business away from the big contract school portrait companies. Those of us in that industry called them "seniornappers". In reality, the folks who went to such studios weren't going to buy from us, anyway. They usually lived on a higher social stratum and paid for better, more personalized work.

I'm a Micro 4/3 user myself (Lumix GH4 and Lumix pro lenses). I do about equal amounts of video and stills recording, and make the occasional film (film-like video) with my twins, who want to be actor/director/filmmakers. The GH4 is great for that.

It's a bit sad to see the sorry state of journalism these days. I was reading Apple News this morning. Nobody, but nobody edits their articles any more! There's an awful trend to say the same thing over and over and over again through an article, just rewording it slightly. Our local papers here are a joke. Fortunately, they have half-decent web sites, but in some ways, they still haven't figured out what to do with the Internet... the print mindset lingers.
For the uninitiated, kidnapping usually meant a st... (show quote)

In the case of my father's studio, he shot mostly children's photos (hence, kidnapping). And he had a small number of photographers who worked for him who would canvas neighborhoods, carrying equipment and shoot in the homes of the families to whom they sold.

As far as the state of journalism. I couldn't agree more. Many of the writers I read...and usually groan at their ineptitude...can't seem to tell the difference between it's and its or to and too. I realize that language is an evolving form of communication but basic grammar seems to apply less and less these days. And for God's sake, whatever happened to the word much? Nothing is so fun. It's so much fun. LOL


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Jan 14, 2019 13:19:54   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
Burtzy wrote:
I couldn't pass up the bargain. Yesterday my wife and I were passing a local antique shop and it was going out of business. They had a cabinet with a bunch of old cameras and accessories. I started browsing through gear...most of which held no interest for me...and came across an old Spiratone 400mm, f6.3 lens in pristine condition. It was marked $35.00. At 50% off, I bought it for $17.50. It was a T-mount and fully manual, including the iris which, once selected needed to be stopped down by moving a ring on the lens body. It also had a tripod mount collar. Well, I have a M4/3 adapter. So last night I put the whole thing together and tried it out. It shows promise. Not super sharp, but I wasn't working under the best conditions and was shooting a half-moon at a very high ISO. I'm anxious to see how it performs in daylight. I'll post something if it turns out to be as good a lens as the price.
I couldn't pass up the bargain. Yesterday my wife... (show quote)


Spiratone was best known for cheap stuff. They went out of business a VERY long time ago, but I still have a few of their products, including a tripod and a fisheye front lens adapter, which works very well.

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Jan 14, 2019 14:09:38   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
aellman wrote:
Spiratone was best known for cheap stuff. They went out of business a VERY long time ago, but I still have a few of their products, including a tripod and a fisheye front lens adapter, which works very well.


Back in the 1960s and '70s and '80s, Kodak sold a system for newspaper photographers called Ektamatic. It was an expensive processor that used special, developer-incorporated enlarging paper, plus two chemicals, an activator and a stabilizer. You could make a usable print in less than a minute with that system.

I bought a knock-off stabilization processor from Spiratone. I made the mistake of buying Spiratone stabilization chemicals and paper, though! One batch, and I threw out the paper and chemicals and bought Ektamatic paper and chemistry. With the Kodak materials, the Spiratone processor worked great! I used it for 20 years to make prints for immediate conversion to halftones for newspaper reproduction (and other temporary needs). You could fix the prints in regular print fixer, then use hypo clearing agent and wash them normally, but that sort of defeated the purpose.

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Jan 14, 2019 14:15:27   #
Burtzy Loc: Bronx N.Y. & Simi Valley, CA
 
We were never in that much of a hurry. I had my own darkroom at home, the use of the studio darkroom where I often worked and of course the one at the Citizen News. Since I mainly shot high school sports, the stories only were published weekly.

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Jan 14, 2019 14:53:02   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Back in the 1960s and '70s and '80s, Kodak sold a system for newspaper photographers called Ektamatic. It was an expensive processor that used special, developer-incorporated enlarging paper, plus two chemicals, an activator and a stabilizer. You could make a usable print in less than a minute with that system.

I bought a knock-off stabilization processor from Spiratone. I made the mistake of buying Spiratone stabilization chemicals and paper, though! One batch, and I threw out the paper and chemicals and bought Ektamatic paper and chemistry. With the Kodak materials, the Spiratone processor worked great! I used it for 20 years to make prints for immediate conversion to halftones for newspaper reproduction (and other temporary needs). You could fix the prints in regular print fixer, then use hypo clearing agent and wash them normally, but that sort of defeated the purpose.
Back in the 1960s and '70s and '80s, Kodak sold a ... (show quote)


I used the stabilization process in the darkroom I set up for my workplace, since we needed fast action for broadcast TV. It worked well for its purpose. I hadn't given it a thought in 40 years until you reminded me. Thanks! >Alan

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Jan 14, 2019 15:01:27   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
burkphoto wrote:
Check out the full range of Micro 4/3 lenses here:

http://hazeghi.org/mft-lenses.html

Panasonic makes a 100-300mm f/4-f/5.6 and a 100-400mm f/4-f/6.3.


Wow! Very interesting! However, I didn't see any that were $17.50. For $17.50, only a person wanting to have some FUN will buy it.
It's probably not to far in quality from my $5.oo Nikon E 50mm!! Or my $6.95 Minolta Celtic 35mm f 2.8!!
.... Cheaper they are, the more BANG fer yer buck!! And my PRO lenses don't get beat up. ....Whooohoo!!

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Jan 14, 2019 15:10:49   #
Burtzy Loc: Bronx N.Y. & Simi Valley, CA
 
yorkiebyte wrote:
Wow! Very interesting! However, I didn't see any that were $17.50. For $17.50, only a person wanting to have some FUN will buy it.
It's probably not to far in quality from my $5.oo Nikon E 50mm!! Or my $6.95 Minolta Celtic 35mm f 2.8!!
.... Cheaper they are, the more BANG fer yer buck!! And my PRO lenses don't get beat up. ....Whooohoo!!
Wow! Very interesting! However, I didn't see any t... (show quote)


To clarify: I bought it for $17.50 at an antique shop that was closing. It was 50% off the asking price of $35.00.

It's funny what passes for an antique nowadays. For instance, they had Star Trek comic books for sale that were printed in the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's. I find it hard to wrap my brain around comics predicting a future we haven't yet and may never reach, as antiques. It's like the Accutron Spaceview watch my parents gave me for my college graduation. It was the first electronic watch. The Accutron timepiece in a different iteration went to the moon to time experiments. It is now an antique. So too would have been the Hasselblads the astronauts took to the moon and left there to make room for the moon rocks.

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Jan 14, 2019 20:30:00   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Burtzy wrote:
I have no illusions about the capabilities or lack thereof of the lens. I have been shooting for many years. (I think I learned from Matthew Brady.) My father owned a "kidnapping" studio in in New York in the fifties and I cut my teeth on a bakelite Brownie. In California, I worked for a studio while a student in high school and as well shooting prep sports for the Hollywood Citizen News. (They're long defunct...hmm, maybe I wasn't as good as I thought I was.) I have owned and loved film cameras of all formats up to and including 4X5 all of my life and have continued shooting even during my career as a film editor. In my retirement, I just moved into M 4/3 because of the weight and size difference. I just couldn't pass up the price. I don't expect any miracles. It's just a toy to mess around with.
I have no illusions about the capabilities or lack... (show quote)


If you don't mind spending a bit more money here are a couple of examples from a lens that I spent just under $100 for, the lens is beautiful looks almost as new. Also a preset which I actually think is easier to shoot manually than the auto diaphragm lenses designed for specific cameras, the 300mm Tele Takumar 300mm f/6.3, these images have been cropped to make the bird more prominent in the pic. To get a handle on the quality of the lens the images should be downloaded. Not as good as my Canon EF 300mm prime but not really a slacker either, actually good enough and fun enough to shoot that I will pull this lens out of the stable from time to time and spend a day or two with it.


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Jan 14, 2019 21:57:52   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
As a kid in the 7th grade, I frequented the Spiratone stores on 7th Avenue in Manhattan and their branch in Flushing on Northern Boulevard. Theses were the only places I coud afford to buy from aside for the second had dealers. As I recall, not all of the stuff was inferior- some was surprisingly decent for the money. They had lenses marketed under their own brand and there was a line of Acura merchandise. I don't think all of the lenses were "junk"- there seem to be inconsistencies or quality control fluctuations. I suppose it deepened on which Japaneses factory was contracted to produce the merchandise. I remember the owner, Fred Spira- he was fair- if I was dissatisfied with anythg, he would exchange it. I realized some of the lenses were not perfect so I just worked around some of the shortcomings.

They had a lot of neat gadgets and accessories. I had an old Rolleiflex and they had all kinds of knockoff lens shades, filters and parallax correcting close up sets that worked nicely.

In New York City, back in the day, the "kidnappers" were home portrait operators who sold coupons for low priced portrait packages- door to door. Some got leads from the diaper services. The photographers followed, equipped with a medium format camera, a couple of strobes and a white background. They coud do a dozen sittings per day- house to house. Perhas 2 dozen in a housing project or an apartment complex. Sounds crazy?- theses guys coud setup, shoot and take down in half an hour and drive like maniacs to the next shoot! If not anythg else, they came up with fantastic expressions on the kids. They managed through screaming babies, vomiting toddlers, dotting parents, cluttered apartments and usually came back with a very salable job.

Then came the PROOF-PASSER. I don't know where theses guys came form- they worked on straight commission and the turned those modest packages into surprisingly large orders. Either that, or the were forcibly ejected from the houses. I think theses proof salesmen were selected from folks who had demanding wives, 12 kids and were up to there neck in gambling debts! DESPERATE! It was quite the industry and I knew folks that did it for YEARS- they had to be made of iron!

Funny- a cohort of mine, at the time, was shooting for one of the big operators. He asked his boss if he coud do some of the proof sales. The boss refused- told him he was too nice a guy and shoud stick to shooting! Go figure!

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Jan 14, 2019 22:05:03   #
Burtzy Loc: Bronx N.Y. & Simi Valley, CA
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
As a kid in the 7th grade, I frequented the Spiratone stores on 7th Avenue in Manhattan and their branch in Flushing on Northern Boulevard. Theses were the only places I coud afford to buy from aside for the second had dealers. As I recall, not all of the stuff was inferior- some was surprisingly decent for the money. They had lenses marketed under their own brand and there was a line of Acura merchandise. I don't think all of the lenses were "junk"- there seem to be inconsistencies or quality control fluctuations. I suppose it deepened on which Japaneses factory was contracted to produce the merchandise. I remember the owner, Fred Spira- he was fair- if I was dissatisfied with anythg, he would exchange it. I realized some of the lenses were not perfect so I just worked around some of the shortcomings.

They had a lot of neat gadgets and accessories. I had an old Rolleiflex and they had all kinds of knockoff lens shades, filters and parallax correcting close up sets that worked nicely.

In New York City, back in the day, the "kidnappers" were home portrait operators who sold coupons for low priced portrait packages- door to door. Some got leads from the diaper services. The photographers followed, equipped with a medium format camera, a couple of strobes and a white background. They coud do a dozen sittings per day- house to house. Perhas 2 dozen in a housing project or an apartment complex. Sounds crazy?- theses guys coud setup, shoot and take down in half an hour and drive like maniacs to the next shoot! If not anythg else, they came up with fantastic expressions on the kids. They managed through screaming babies, vomiting toddlers, dotting parents, cluttered apartments and usually came back with a very salable job.

Then came the PROOF-PASSER. I don't know where theses guys came form- they worked on straight commission and the turned those modest packages into surprisingly large orders. Either that, or the were forcibly ejected from the houses. I think theses proof salesmen were selected from folks who had demanding wives, 12 kids and were up to there neck in gambling debts! DESPERATE! It was quite the industry and I knew folks that did ti for YEARS- they had to be made of iron!

Funny- a cohort of mine, at the time, was shooting for one of the big operators. He asked his boss if he coud do some of the proof sales. The boss refused- told him he was too nice a guy and shoud stick to shooting! Go figure!
As a kid in the 7th grade, I frequented the Spirat... (show quote)


My father's company was called Majestic Studios. And your description of the kidnappers was exactly what dad's business was all about. He sold out his share after a few years because he moved us to California.

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Jan 15, 2019 14:16:21   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
I had one of those back in the late 50's that I used on my Exakta VXIIa. Considering the time and my skills, it did the job.

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Jan 15, 2019 14:26:54   #
Archiefamous Loc: Manhattan
 
The lens worked as well as my Argus C3. Used the Spiratone lens on my canon Ft-ql. Then switched to Nikon and never looked back

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Jan 16, 2019 10:50:18   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
I love reading stories about old bargain lenses. All of them work, but with some difficulty involved. Which makes them interesting. Some take decent photos too. Most are old telephoto lenses.

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