For birding, particularly BIF I don’t think, on your budget, you could do better than the Canon 400 f/5.6 Prime. It’s so light and sharp, no IS but you won’t need it with the shutter speeds you’ll use. If there’s one thing I regret that’s selling mine when I bought the 100-400 mkII, should’ve kept it.
[quote=Gene51]Sigma lenses (and maybe Tamron) will report to the camera that their maximum aperture is F5.6 even if it is actually F6.3. I have never had an issue with older Nikon cameras that were not supposed to autofocus with F6.3 lenses (D200, D70S, D300), and I am pretty sure at least one of my [past students was using a Sigma C 150-600 on an older Canon body - probably a 40D - and had no issues with AF.[/quote]
Perhaps on Canon (but I doubt it). My Tamrin 150-600 G2 autofocuses at 6.3 on my D500. Also to 8 with matched 1.4 extender.
doclrb
Thank you Gene and Mike for your comments. Looked at the 400 L but thought the no IS would be a bad idea. Now it's back in the mix.
doclrb wrote:
Perhaps on Canon (but I doubt it). My Tamrin 150-600 G2 autofocuses at 6.3 on my D500. Also to 8 with matched 1.4 extender.
doclrb
Thanks for your comments. So many lens, not enough greenbacks.
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as I do most of my work in the brighter part of the day I have a lot of leeway. a Minolta 80-300mm G lens on a slt a-77 gives me plenty of range and IQ. a 70-200mm apo G hi-speed plus their 2x tc gives me even more range. I have plenty of images in my portfolio to prove my contention.
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
royden wrote:
Thank you Gene and Mike for your comments. Looked at the 400 L but thought the no IS would be a bad idea. Now it's back in the mix.
IS on a lens for birding is a mixed bag. Most of the time IS will be off. You really don't want it when you are using shutter speeds shorter than 1/500, or when you are on a tripod shooting a static subject. Here are some images that were taken with the 400 F5.6, and most recently (the last 12 months) with a 100-400 F5.6 II.
https://untamednewyork.smugmug.com/BirdsEarly on she used it with a Canon 7D and the later images were done with a 5D Mk III.
I don't think a lens without IS will prevent you from getting amazing pictures. The 400 F5.6 is a particularly great lens when paired with a crop sensor camera, and the choice of many birders because it is so light and sharp.
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I have developed a liking for birding. Was at a wildlife refuge in Delray Beach, Fl recently and shot a few with a Canon 40D and 55-250 EFSll. I need more range.
I've been researching and need some help. I have a budget of $700. I looked at used/refurbushed EF 70-200/4L IS and none IS, (would need to add a 1.4) EF 300/4L, EF 70-300 IS USM l and ll.
Sigma has a lot of 50-500, 120-400, 135-400, 150-500, 170-500 and of course the 150-600. Some of these go back to 2008. There is also Sigma 100-400. Tamron 18-400 and 100-400(I think) Some of these maybe outside my budget. Although I list some 300s I believe at least 400mm would be better. Would a 40D be adequate with any of these? Will I find that I need a 80D or one of the 7Ds?
I have a Pentax K5lls, 16MP and newer than 40D and would prefer to use that but not many options in long lens. Some of the Sigmas come in Pentax mount. So I have a lot to think about.
Would appreciate your input.
Have a Happy and Prosperous New Year.
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Many good suggestions, just reiterate that for birding 400mm is minimum and a zoom to 600mm would be better.
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
royden wrote:
I have developed a liking for birding. Was at a wildlife refuge in Delray Beach, Fl recently and shot a few with a Canon 40D and 55-250 EFSll. I need more range.
I've been researching and need some help. I have a budget of $700. I looked at used/refurbushed EF 70-200/4L IS and none IS, (would need to add a 1.4) EF 300/4L, EF 70-300 IS USM l and ll.
Sigma has a lot of 50-500, 120-400, 135-400, 150-500, 170-500 and of course the 150-600. Some of these go back to 2008. There is also Sigma 100-400. Tamron 18-400 and 100-400(I think) Some of these maybe outside my budget. Although I list some 300s I believe at least 400mm would be better. Would a 40D be adequate with any of these? Will I find that I need a 80D or one of the 7Ds?
I have a Pentax K5lls, 16MP and newer than 40D and would prefer to use that but not many options in long lens. Some of the Sigmas come in Pentax mount. So I have a lot to think about.
Would appreciate your input.
Have a Happy and Prosperous New Year.
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Many of the folks who shoot at Wakodahatchee and Green Cay in Delray Beach Florida use a Canon 100-400 II on a cropped sensor camera. My buddy uses that lens with the Canon 5D Mark IV with a 1.4 tele convertor. They all get excellent results. At both of these locations birds are not that far away and any combination of the above will work. But, I am a Nikon guy and I wish Nikon made a lens like the 100-400 II.
royden wrote:
I have developed a liking for birding. Was at a wildlife refuge in Delray Beach, Fl recently and shot a few with a Canon 40D and 55-250 EFSll. I need more range.
I've been researching and need some help. I have a budget of $700. I looked at used/refurbushed EF 70-200/4L IS and none IS, (would need to add a 1.4) EF 300/4L, EF 70-300 IS USM l and ll.
Sigma has a lot of 50-500, 120-400, 135-400, 150-500, 170-500 and of course the 150-600. Some of these go back to 2008. There is also Sigma 100-400. Tamron 18-400 and 100-400(I think) Some of these maybe outside my budget. Although I list some 300s I believe at least 400mm would be better. Would a 40D be adequate with any of these? Will I find that I need a 80D or one of the 7Ds?
I have a Pentax K5lls, 16MP and newer than 40D and would prefer to use that but not many options in long lens. Some of the Sigmas come in Pentax mount. So I have a lot to think about.
Would appreciate your input.
Have a Happy and Prosperous New Year.
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First, with any lens and birds, you WILL be cropping and AF WILL be critical - so it behooves you to have a decent sensor/body - as a minimum I would recommend the T4i used @ $250-300 followed by the SL2.
The 70-300 IS II nano is a GREAT lens - equal to the 70-200's with 1.4X but much cheaper ! ($400 used)- but no tripod collar.
The 400 prime is a GREAT lens - but IMO, needs special techniques for management/stabilization.
Finally, f6.3 lenses can AF on f5.6 enabled bodies - BUT, f5.6 lenses will focus faster and more accurately - period ! - AND, For AF reasons, CANON lenses will focus faster and more accurately also !
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royden wrote:
I have developed a liking for birding. Was at a wildlife refuge in Delray Beach, Fl recently and shot a few with a Canon 40D and 55-250 EFSll. I need more range.
I've been researching and need some help. I have a budget of $700. I looked at used/refurbushed EF 70-200/4L IS and none IS, (would need to add a 1.4) EF 300/4L, EF 70-300 IS USM l and ll.
Sigma has a lot of 50-500, 120-400, 135-400, 150-500, 170-500 and of course the 150-600. Some of these go back to 2008. There is also Sigma 100-400. Tamron 18-400 and 100-400(I think) Some of these maybe outside my budget. Although I list some 300s I believe at least 400mm would be better. Would a 40D be adequate with any of these? Will I find that I need a 80D or one of the 7Ds?
I have a Pentax K5lls, 16MP and newer than 40D and would prefer to use that but not many options in long lens. Some of the Sigmas come in Pentax mount. So I have a lot to think about.
Would appreciate your input.
Have a Happy and Prosperous New Year.
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I use the Tamron 150-600. Here's why I chose it over its 150-600 competitors:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-458752-1.html.
I have been extraordinarily happy with it.
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
imagemeister wrote:
First, with any lens and birds, you WILL be cropping and AF WILL be critical - so it behooves you to have a decent sensor/body - as a minimum I would recommend the T4i used @ $250-300 followed by the SL2.
The 70-300 IS II nano is a GREAT lens - equal to the 70-200's with 1.4X but much cheaper ! ($400 used)- but no tripod collar.
The 400 prime is a GREAT lens - but IMO, needs special techniques for management/stabilization.
Finally, f6.3 lenses can AF on f5.6 enabled bodies - BUT, f5.6 lenses will focus faster and more accurately - period ! - AND, For AF reasons, CANON lenses will focus faster and more accurately also !
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I am sorry, but Nikon lenses on there new bodies focus as fast as anyone's lenses, including Canon. Your statement lacks a certain basis in reality.
billnikon wrote:
I am sorry, but Nikon lenses on there new bodies focus as fast as anyone's lenses, including Canon. Your statement lacks a certain basis in reality.
If you weren't so insecure about Nikon, you'd understand the comment and the overall discussion is Canon vs 3rd party on a Canon body
at a used $700 price-point. A statement that is just as accurate for Nikon vs 3rd party ...
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
Your quote, not mine. " .....thick skin a pre-requisite here on UHH"
abc1234
Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
MT Shooter wrote:
Someone just posted the perfect lens for you on UHH classifieds this morning. Its a 150-600mm Tamron for only $550.
That is probably the older model and was perfect until Sigma and Tamron introduced the current models. The new ones are so sharp that many would find buying an older one a waste of money.
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