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Dec 29, 2018 13:20:04   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
. . . or how about making it with Mexican cartel cash. I'm sure that the US has seized pallet loads of cash from the cartel. Just use that to build the wall.



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Dec 29, 2018 23:56:59   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Frosty wrote:
I'm reprinting this story that was originally posted by Rose. I think she posted it to illustrate how getting "free stuff" leads to dependency on the government. But, the story is a two edged sword.....it has two lessons.

"The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting c*******ts in his native country who were trying to o*******w his country's government and install a new c*******t regime. In the midst of his story, he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked: "Do you know how to catch wild pigs?"
The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said that it was no joke. "You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come every day to eat the free food".

"When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence". "They get used to that and start to eat again.
You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side". "The pigs, which are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat that free corn again. You then slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd".

"Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity."
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening in America . The government keeps pushing us toward C*******m/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tax exemptions, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare entitlements, medicine, drugs, etc., while we continually lose our freedoms, just a little at a time as the government forces us to participate in many of these programs whether or not we want to."

The first lesson is that government programs provide us with security at the cost of some of our freedom. The second lesson is that when we build fences (or walls) around us for security, we also lose some of our freedom. Trump is eagerly trying to build a wall around us for security. Franklin was incorrectly quoted as saying (but it's a good quote nonetheless), "Those that are willing to trade freedom for security deserve neither."

It seems most of our differences here in the Attic is determining how much of each we want. Some want freedom and some want security. Since we can't have both, we have to compromise. Therein lies the problem and is why we the Attic is alive and well.
I'm reprinting this story that was originally post... (show quote)

The pig and fence analogy does not apply to a border wall -fence. A border barrier is not meant to keep people in but to keep people out.

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Dec 30, 2018 06:56:58   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
LWW wrote:
Read a book.

Sixty v**es control the US senate.


so, how come they were passing bils with 51 v**es for awhile?????

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Dec 30, 2018 07:17:18   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
bull drink water wrote:
so, how come they were passing bils with 51 v**es for awhile?????



obummercare did not pass with 60 v**es.

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Dec 30, 2018 07:54:20   #
WNC Ralf Loc: Candler NC, in the mountains!
 
Everyday when I scan the attic I am still amazed at the ignorance/stupidity of republicans....

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Dec 30, 2018 08:43:41   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
WNC Ralf wrote:
Everyday when I scan the attic I am still amazed at the ignorance/stupidity of republicans....


Much as they are amazed the ignorance of the liberal cult.

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Dec 30, 2018 09:52:26   #
FrumCA
 
WNC Ralf wrote:
Everyday when I scan the attic I am still amazed at the ignorance/stupidity of republicans....

It's been said that too much moonshine will fry your brain and your post proves it. Are you still seeing folks with no teeth and hearing bango music and in the woods???

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Dec 30, 2018 09:57:02   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Except when it doesn't. Probably ought to read a book yourself.


Oh McConnell could go for the nuclear option, but being an abject coward he won't.

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Dec 30, 2018 09:57:53   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
bull drink water wrote:
so, how come they were passing bils with 51 v**es for awhile?????


Read a book.

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Dec 30, 2018 10:42:33   #
SteveS Loc: The US is my home.
 
boberic wrote:
The pig and fence analogy does not apply to a border wall -fence. A border barrier is not meant to keep people in but to keep people out.


Doesn't that depend on which side of the fence you're on? If you're on the US side it's for exclusion, if on the Mexico side it's for containment, still the same wall/fence.

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Dec 30, 2018 17:48:08   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
SteveS wrote:
Doesn't that depend on which side of the fence you're on? If you're on the US side it's for exclusion, if on the Mexico side it's for containment, still the same wall/fence.


I suppose it (to a degree) depends upon which side of the fence you are on. Same with a door, which is designed primarily to keep people out rather than in. Ask yourself this question. Do those people who think that walls don;tn work, lock their doors at night?

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Dec 30, 2018 18:01:56   #
SteveS Loc: The US is my home.
 
boberic wrote:
I suppose it (to a degree) depends upon which side of the fence you are on. Same with a door, which is designed primarily to keep people out rather than in. Ask yourself this question. Do those people who think that walls don;tn work, lock their doors at night?


Yep, if walls/fences don't discourage trespassing, there are sure a lot of people that have been bilked out of a ton of money.

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Jan 1, 2019 00:25:06   #
Frosty Loc: Minnesota
 
Architect1776 wrote:
The President has not lied.
You have NO proof of actual lies.
If your standard for lies is as we all know it to be then obummer, f**e news, hillary and bubba, pelosi and schumer are telling lies each time their lips move.

The President has not lied. br You have NO proof o... (show quote)


Who was it that said we are going to build a wall and the Mexicans are going to pay for it???

Who just told the military that HE got them a 10 % raise since they haven't received one in 10 years?

Who said, "We’ve accomplished an economic turnaround of historic proportions"?

There are thousands more trump lies according to those that track such things.

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Jan 1, 2019 02:02:36   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Frosty wrote:
Who was it that said we are going to build a wall and the Mexicans are going to pay for it???

Who just told the military that HE got them a 10 % raise since they haven't received one in 10 years?

Who said, "We’ve accomplished an economic turnaround of historic proportions"?

There are thousands more trump lies according to those that track such things.


He tried his "Best President Ever' rally shtick at the UN and they laughed in his face.

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Jan 1, 2019 10:33:24   #
wooden_ships
 
LWW wrote:
Is it stupidly or dishonesty that causes each of y’all to keep bringing up this risibly false claim.

You’re always contradicting valid posts with false assertions... a true trump supporter.

What’s his false claim? Republicans control Executive and Legislative branches - they did. With that power and control, they failed to effectively use it and deliver.

That the majority of Americans don’t want the wall? Polls show the majority don’t want it.

Where’s your proof he’s making “a risibly false claim”?

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