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Dec 23, 2018 15:40:31   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
As I said I need the shutter to be open continuously for up to several hours at a time. Sensor heating doesn't allow this.
This has nothing to do with photographically other than me thinking I might be able to use a camera and lens combination to do it (plus a TV screen). And it would work other than the sensor heating.
I was trying to use existing equipment but no go on that. I suspect a several thousand dollar stereo microscope would work but don't want to spend this money and then find out it wasn't a good idea possibly for as yet unknown issues.

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Dec 23, 2018 15:44:20   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Internal Focusing (IF) lenses start out bigger than non-IF (the latter can be considerably more compact when focused to infinity, for storage).

IF lenses also change focal length when focused closer. The Canon 100mm USM that I use is more like a 70mm at full 1:1. Not that you notice this in the field.

And, the CURRENT Tamron SP 90mm f/2.8 VC USD does not extend. It is Internal Focusing too. (The more compact, crop-only Tamron SP 60mm f/2 is also IF.)

The previous version of Tamron SP 90mm (not VC or USD) is not IF. (This version can still be found new, too)

The CURRENT Sigma 105mm f/2.8 DG OS HSM is also IF and does not extend. Previous version (not "OS") might have been non-IF.... I don't know.

I can't find a review that compares the Tammy and Siggy with the Micro-Nikkor 105.... but this shows the two earlier version, third party non-IF lenses next to the Canon 100mm IF lens:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Sigma-105mm-f-2.8-EX-DG-Macro-Lens-Review.aspx

Notice that when they are at full 1:1 magnification, the non-IF and IF lenses are almost identical in length.

This review of the CURRENT Sigma 105mm OS version shows it alongside the two Canon 100mm and the current Nikkor 105mm VR (all four of which are IF):

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Sigma-105mm-f-2.8-EX-DG-OS-HSM-Macro-Lens-Review.aspx

In this last review, there's no illustration view of those four lenses shown at closest focus, simply because there's no difference. All are IF, none of them extend.
Internal Focusing (IF) lenses start out bigger tha... (show quote)


Yes, the LATEST Sigma, Tamron are IF ! - and the IF's trade a little focal length for working distance.

Inexplicibly, the Tokina current version is NOT IF and the previous version IS - but the previous only goes to 1:2 natively.

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Dec 23, 2018 15:55:23   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
User ID wrote:

You can most certainly reverse ANY lens onto an EF
mount and maintain normal aperture automation.

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Yes, I agree - and INCLUDING macro lenses ! And, Yes I have done it - so I am not some online expert without experience. Many years ago I have reversed a 100mm Zeiss macro Planar using an 8X10 camera for 10:1 magnification. Today I prefer using good enlarging lenses in reverse for magnifications greater than 2:1.

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Dec 23, 2018 16:58:08   #
User ID
 
imagemeister wrote:

Yes, I agree - and INCLUDING macro lenses ! And, Yes
I have done it - so I am not some online expert without
experience. Many years ago I have reversed a 100mm
Zeiss macro Planar using an 8X10 camera for 10:1
magnification. Today I prefer using good enlarging
lenses in reverse for magnifications greater than 2:1.

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Very nice. But are you addressing the issue ? Were
those electronically controlled lenses ? Reversing a
non-electronic lens is a non-issue. Old news. We all
do it. But the only electronic lenses you can control
when reversed are Canon EF ... and you'll need the
kit that cables communication from the body flange
to the now-disconnected lens flange. The cabling kit
restores the communications.

Nikon electronic lenses have a similar problem, but
no one AFAIK makes cabling kits for Nikons. Canon
EF is simple, Nikon is not.

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Dec 23, 2018 17:12:54   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
User ID wrote:

As to any disappointment about the impracticality of
reversing the Tamron 90 ... by what science did you
come to believe that was a good idea anywho. I'd bet
it was the "collective received wisdom" of the Online
Experts ... such as abound hereabouts.

Think on this: The Tamron is modern 1:1 macro lens.
You can safely assume it has internally shifting lens
elements that accomplish "Close Range Correction"
[thaz official Nikon jargon, aka CRC]. If you reverse
mount the lens, you defy the designed-in corrections
of the CRC system. Reverse mounting is necessary
for ordinary, unit focusing, conservatively designed,
general purpose lenses when we apply those lenses
to the abnormal usage of having the subject-to-lens
distance shorter than the sensor-to-lens distance ...
which is the reverse of general use, and thus calls
for reversing ordinary lenses. "Tit-for-tat" simple :-)

If "A Little Knowledge is a Dangerous Thing", forums
full of Online Experts are PREMIER showcases of that.
Enjoy your lens ... in its intended application !

And only take hardware advice by users who actually
USE the hardware in question. OK ? I USE a Tamron
90 SP, in Maxxum/Sony-A mount ... so it CANNOT be
reverse mounted. To get "more magnification" [sic]
than the built-in 1:1, I just swap the FF body for an
APS-C body. Same 24MP, plus a 1.5X crop factor :-)

After all, "1:1" is a just a conversational fiction, ever
since we switched from film to digital sensors. I love
to mention that, cuz it brings out all those indignant
Online Experts with their geeky arguments ! And as
this is a macro lens thread, I know they're reading it.

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br As to any disappointment about the impractical... (show quote)


No, this is more of what I was addressing .....

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Dec 23, 2018 17:28:19   #
User ID
 
chrissybabe wrote:
As I said I need the shutter to be open continuously for up to several hours at a time. Sensor heating doesn't allow this.
This has nothing to do with photographically other than me thinking I might be able to use a camera and lens combination to do it (plus a TV screen). And it would work other than the sensor heating.
I was trying to use existing equipment but no go on that. I suspect a several thousand dollar stereo microscope would work but don't want to spend this money and then find out it wasn't a good idea possibly for as yet unknown issues.
As I said I need the shutter to be open continuous... (show quote)


Don't know how much resolution is needed. If it's not
overly demanding on that count, an older digital video
camera with convection cooling might be a solution ...
older not cuz older is special, just that older ought to
be noticeably cheaper :-)

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Dec 28, 2018 12:15:18   #
art pear Loc: North Dakota
 
I have the Nikon 105mm and the tokina 100mm and you really have look hard to find a difference in quality.

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Dec 28, 2018 12:19:26   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
So, really for most practical purposes, just look around and get the cheapest one you can find ! 8-)

In whatever focal length you decide on.

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