It for me is more real estate in FF to design visuals into.
Alfonso Cuarón's new movie "Roma" is in 60mm b&w.
It is getting nominated for awards already.
In the much bigger frame he created huge
scenes with different things going on.
I think that FF encourages more photography as art.
And the look of my Sony a7s II FF images and video really
gives me inspiration to expect good work.
Yet my Sony a6300 makes great images and video.
It rivals some imagery close to some big time cameras.
With a zeiss 16 70mm it is perfect.
Happy Holidays
camerapapi wrote:
In my humble opinion only the first one of your statements is true. Indeed it is true also for a DX camera. It is well known that larger pixels catch the light better, seem to have some advantage when it comes to noise and sharpness seems to improve. This is what I know, I could be wrong but the D2H I owned told me a lot about the number of pixels and sharpness. It only had 4 megapixels but I dare to say that the enlargements from that camera were of superb quality.
I do not know if you will find this information relevant but a DX camera using a DX lens uses the whole sensor as a full frame camera does. I have always advised those "updating" to a FX body to use only FX lenses. Makes no sense to buy a full frame to use crop lenses.
By the way, I use a D610 and a D7000. I would be a fool if I admit that I see a difference in the quality of the images between both cameras. Both do the job when I do mine.
Wide angles used to be an issue with the crop sensor till Nikon introduced the 12-24 f4 AF-S and from there on wide angle photography with a crop sensor is no longer an issue. When it comes to teles we all know the crop sensor does better.
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Camera marketing BS aside, camera sensors do not have pixels, but they can and do generate them with their JPEG processors.
Pixels are just
number sets that represent relative light levels of red, green, and blue. They have VALUES, but they have no size. You can reproduce them at any size, using dots. They are analogous to the code in audio or video files.
Cameras have sensors with sensor sites (sensels), each of which generates a color-filtered analog voltage. Those voltages are amplified, digitized, and stored in an array. The array is then processed with sophisticated algorithms to calculate pixel values from SEVERAL adjacent sensels. The exact processing used varies considerably from manufacturer to manufacturer, which is why there is no single standard for raw file formats!
If you save a raw file at the camera, you can create an infinite range of different pixel arrays from it in post-photography processing. A raw file converted with today's raw processing software may yield an image that looks substantially better than the output from a raw processor in 2005. That's because the algorithms used to convert the raw data into an image file format have improved substantially.
They ain't pixels 'til they's processed, folks!
Understanding how your camera works is essential to understanding what you can do with a digital image.
Fredrick
Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
Past Pro wrote:
God is a she??????
Oh yeah .... just look at the number of new women in Congress.
Smudgey
Loc: Ohio, Calif, Now Arizona
I read what the reviewer said, and it didn't really help as he talked about why full frame was not necessarily better, then went on to tell you why it was better. Truth is it all depends on your objective. I have used both and I prefer full frame, as I like to do a lot of cropping sometimes, using only part of an image to get a finished photo. This also depends on the the resolution of the photo. Full Frame + High Resolution + Raw, will give you a better image than what most crop sensor cameras will give.
Past Pro wrote:
God is a she??????
This reminded me of a cartoon from Mad Magazine years and years ago. It showed an astronaut getting out of a rocket ship with the caption: "And then I saw God. First of all, she's black..."
Another myth. Use only a full frame camera for Weddings. Anything less, you should run away and hide, if your crop sensor DSLR is revealed?
Mr. B
Loc: eastern Connecticut
camerapapi wrote:
Sorry Jerry, I do not agree with you.
It's a joke, get it? "Partial" equals semi-obscured. "Full" equals the whole rectangular view in your viewfinder. Lighten up, it's almost Christmas!
It would be difficult to argue that at least in most situations full frame is better. However, the improved result is very little better. And there is a price. For one, almost every aspect of it - except for the UV filters and the memory cards - cost more - often, a LOT more. A full frame outfit is physically heavier and so will never be used as often.
And if full frame is that much better - which it is not - should not everyone be going medium format - or larger?
Cheers
Bob Locher
Many of the myths are valid however when it comes to dynamic range, noise, depth of field. full frame is a clear winner. Depends on what is important to you. When I left crop and went to full fame it made a huge difference to me. I never looked back. I do a lot of low light and use flash very seldom so the dynamic range and ISO issues are very important to me and I will pay the money for it. I am sure the vast majority out there do not care about those things and therefore the price difference does not justify the end result for them.
Bottom line and most importantly, full frame or crop, the person behind the lens makes for a better image, never the camera. I am sure this thread will receive a lot of interest!!!
burkphoto wrote:
That is like saying the Earth doesn't have an AU factor. It does — ONE. (one Astronomical Unit = 149597870700 meters, roughly the average distance from Earth to Sun)
Using FF as a reference point of ONE is no longer as meaningful as it was a decade ago.
It was initially ONLY a crop factor because early dSLRs were just 35mm SLRs, highly modified. Kodak and others stuck a small sensor in the middle of the film plane of a Nikon or Canon, drew a rectangle on the focusing screen, and called it a digital camera. There was a "crop factor" only because the projected image cone of the lens was cropped. Photographers needed some way to equate the change in magnification from a lens on full frame to a lens on a smaller sensor, so they could choose the right lens for a scene.
A more appropriate term would have been magnification factor. Modern APS-C and Micro 4/3 cameras, used with native lenses, DO NOT CROP the projected image cone, because the lenses are designed for the format. But put a full frame lens on an APS-C body, and yes, you can say it has a crop factor… and a magnification factor.
The distinction is not just a matter of semantics, but a matter of the physics behind lens design. All other things being equal, a lens specifically designed for a given format can be optimized for that format. That APS-C and DX NATIVE lenses are often built to lower standards than their full frame equivalents is just the hubris-blind marketing of the major dSLR makers.
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Actually it was my point. Why do we keep using the 24x36mm format as a reference point? Why do we call it Full Frame? Why do we have crop factor based on this format? I wish we can get rid of the term full frame and the crop factor.
CamB
Loc: Juneau, Alaska
Good. Another myth for the list.
jerryc41 wrote:
But when you come right down to it, FF is better than Partial Frame.
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