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Dec 18, 2018 20:02:25   #
christographer Loc: Cleveland, OH
 
skeeth wrote:
Tattos are damn ugly.


I didn't have a choice on the model or what she wore. It was simply an exercise in shooting models put on by a local camera shop.

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Dec 18, 2018 20:03:37   #
christographer Loc: Cleveland, OH
 
R. Bush wrote:
I will admit that I'm old fashioned, but I'll never understand why a beautiful young lady will willingly screw over her own body with tattoos.


I actually gave that idea a brief thought, but it left my mind as soon as it entered. Because i had to go grab a smoke outside ;-)

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Dec 18, 2018 20:09:06   #
christographer Loc: Cleveland, OH
 
pendennis wrote:
The natural light from the window is a great diffuse source. However, it has to be mixed with some type of electronic flash or continuous light source. The model's face is underexposed from a lack of fill, but the window light is too harsh.

You can see a lot of irregularities in her skin, which aren't flattering, maybe owing to her young age. They need attention in post processing.

You should read some literature on lighting ratios. For the most part they're way too high, yielding very unpleasing contrasts.

The non-subject lighting is irregular, with a lot of over/under exposure in various areas, and it needs to be handled properly to achieve the best results.

I don't know what your intents were, for the B&W shot, but the long tapering background has too many distractions along the walls. Her right arm doesn't seem posed correctly. It looks like she's trying to rest her arm on the cage, but missed it.

The tattoos are very distracting. The stool shot highlights them, but to what end? Are the tats the subject? They dominate, and the model is lost. The upper torso tat, as well as the one on her thigh, are overpowering the shots. You're looking for glamour, but the poses and lighting really work against it.
The natural light from the window is a great diffu... (show quote)


I asked for honest. I guess I got honest. And I'll never try this again <61 year old man runs down the hall crying and smashes his Nikon D810 against the wall>

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Dec 18, 2018 20:36:55   #
sbohne
 
christographer wrote:
I asked for honest. I guess I got honest. And I'll never try this again <61 year old man runs down the hall crying and smashes his Nikon D810 against the wall>


This is a big problem with just about every photographer: ego. It's the reason you are advised never to enter a photograph of someone you love in a salon competition. You are too close to the subject, and you will not accept criticism. I remember a much, MUCH younger me asked a judge why my entry didn't do better. I thought his comments were nit-picky.

He said, "Can I ask you, do you have any ugly children?"
My wife replied, "Heavens, no, they are gorgeous!"
The judge smiled and said, "I don't have any ugly children, either. But we will both agree, ugly children exist. WE just don't have any!"

SO it is possible to change without improving. However, it is IMPOSSIBLE to improve without change. You have to leave your ego at the door, swallow your pride, and only then can you improve.

FYI: when I was a working photographer, photographers would send 10 prints to me for my critique as a Master of Photography. The last one I did in 2005 cost the photographer $100. You got yours free. ;)

Have a Merry Christmas! Maybe you'll get a new Canon to replace that Nikon with!

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Dec 18, 2018 22:02:08   #
pila
 
christographer wrote:
Thank you. Valid point. I will keep that in mind when I shoot some senior pictures for a friend of mine this spring. I was using a 105mm Tamron f1.4
but my AF choices apparently were not the best. I was using a group AF, instead of maybe a single point?


Love that 105 mm

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Dec 18, 2018 22:46:05   #
pendennis
 
christographer wrote:
I asked for honest. I guess I got honest. And I'll never try this again <61 year old man runs down the hall crying and smashes his Nikon D810 against the wall>


You shouldn't be discouraged. Lighting is difficult to master. When I started, in the 1960's, all I had were photo floods. Couldn't afford electronic flash in the power required. I bought a couple of books on lighting, and studied portraits to learn how the lights were placed, how to use available light, all things necessary, even for simple portraits. And yes, I got some brutally honest criticism when I showed the prints. I amassed notebooks full of lighting arrangements, ratios, poses, etc., and used those notes to improve my techniques and upgrade equipment. I also learned how to use scrims, backgrounds, and I even made a lot of reflectors. It's amazing what foam core and various rolls of foil can do. It was a number of years before I could afford a couple of Speedotron Brown line kits.

And that was just the lighting. The poses took a long time to master; head and shoulders, full-length, etc. How to make a woman's nose look smaller, how to make ears smaller, how to highlight the eyes, how to flatter a woman's facial lines as she moved toward age 50. How to use soft filtration, and finding lenses which provided the soft focus a lot of folks love.

It takes years to learn and put those lessons into practice.

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Dec 18, 2018 22:53:06   #
Silkway2017
 
Tatoo is overwhelming... it can be appalling but... the shots are well done and they emphasize the controversy of being young and pretty while subjecting herself to eliminate your own natural beauty with manmade tattoo art all over her body... (just my feeling)

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Dec 18, 2018 23:45:24   #
Glenn Harve
 
Personally, the pic of her stealing away with St Nicks bag of goodies is just fun. Dont care about much else, rather than she looks fun and i would want to be there too. Simple. No anal-ysis needed, either ya feel it or ya dont. I did, so it suceeded.

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Dec 19, 2018 00:06:25   #
tinwhistle
 
To the OP. It would have helped a great deal if we had known from the start the circumstances you were working with, i.e., camera club. Other than that I have nothing to add. You got a pretty good dose of UHH already.

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Dec 19, 2018 00:12:54   #
woodweasel Loc: bellingham Wa
 
Interesting

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Dec 19, 2018 06:32:19   #
Brokenland
 
Although I replied earlier, I do have another couple of thoughts to add here.

1) Was wondering if the Op was using or thought about using a diffuser filter as this would have soften the models skin
2) Submitting your photos in a C&C isn't very wise as you're going to get a wide range of suggestions and most of them wrong or not so constructive. just another reason I may or may not post images online/in forums as they are not up for critique. It is what it is.

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Dec 19, 2018 07:25:08   #
d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA
 
christographer wrote:
OK folks let's step back for a moment...



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Dec 19, 2018 09:45:41   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Cookie223 wrote:
Offensive? What the heck was offensive?


If it has to be explained you probably won't get the answer.

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Dec 19, 2018 09:47:35   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
christographer wrote:
I didn't have a choice on the model or what she wore. It was simply an exercise in shooting models put on by a local camera shop.


Don't let the trolls get to you.

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Dec 19, 2018 09:49:05   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
christographer wrote:
I've always been a landscape kind of guy with some rock bands and air shows thrown in for good measure. But I've long been considering shooting a model of the female variety for a long time. I dabbled a little bit of that in photography classes back in the mid 70's but that's about it. And it was more to hit on the girl in the dark room than to photograph her.

This past weekend, I finally followed through and attached for your critique are my first serious attempts. Please give me your thoughts. What did I do well? What could use some work? What did I totally blow? From pose to exposure to processing and everything in between. Everything was shot with natural light using a Nikon D810 and a Tameron 105mm f1.4 and another lens that escapes me at the moment. It should all be in the EXIF data if you are so inclined to look.

Please be forthright, but not brutal. Thanks in advance.
I've always been a landscape kind of guy with some... (show quote)

Overall well done IMHO.

The only thing I might change is moving a few more shots to the black and white column.

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