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Jan 31, 2019 14:14:36   #
jaysnave Loc: Central Ohio
 
Pistnbroke wrote:
Well I got banned from one site for this ….
It seems popular to have a heart shape with all the guests or the b and g initials made up of guests....so you divide the number of guests by 2 and arrange the half balls in a heart shape about 3 ft apart. You then ask the guest to stand between the balls conga style and put on foot on the ball ( to hide it) 100 guests in a heart shape in less than 5 min ....
Hope you like that ...helps if the daughter has access to a tennis club !!
I might be a bit crazy but not totally stupid.
How many use a megaphone to organise the guests ???
Well I got banned from one site for this …. br It ... (show quote)


Sounds like a great alternative to using tape on floor as a method of placing people. No megaphone here. I try to learn names which gets their attention and or find a loud guest that can help.

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Jan 31, 2019 15:34:19   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
Pistnbroke wrote:
Well I got banned from one site for this ….
It seems popular to have a heart shape with all the guests or the b and g initials made up of guests....so you divide the number of guests by 2 and arrange the half balls in a heart shape about 3 ft apart. You then ask the guest to stand between the balls conga style and put on foot on the ball ( to hide it) 100 guests in a heart shape in less than 5 min ....
Hope you like that ...helps if the daughter has access to a tennis club !!
I might be a bit crazy but not totally stupid.
How many use a megaphone to organise the guests ???
Well I got banned from one site for this …. br It ... (show quote)


Nice idea with the tennis balls. Is this something you've done, or have seen done?
Not sure how easy they would be to transport and keep together, but they would certainly be visible for the guests to see it. The beauty is, being old and fat, I wouldn't have to get down and peel tape off the floor, so I wouldn't have to risk so many unexpected sounds coming out of my body...

There are no bad ideas, only ideas that don't work and ideas that work, or somewhere in between.
As for the megaphone, ask anyone, I have a big enough mouth, there's never a problem hearing me.
Actually, I prefer to say that "I'm not shy" so I speak up. (to ear bleed volume if necessary) haha

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Jan 31, 2019 22:30:36   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Ok- I'll play! A few remarks:

1/2 Tennis balls are handy for moving tripods and light stands around a floor without the risk of scratching or maring the ha expensive hardwood or parquet floors. Sometimes even a caster base stand can cause damage. Tennis balls a cuddly and fuzzy. I actullay do this on certain interior job in heritage homes, and other location with delicate flooring.

I think our British colleague is describing a party game.

I have been at Asian wedding receptions where they play some pretty funky party games like dunking for apples in a grease pan from the kitchen. The have the bride and groom participating so they cover them with shower caps and polyethylene smocks!

Years ago, at Ukrainian weddings the groomsmen would turn the groom upside down, hold him up by the ankles and shake him. Whatever money fell out of his pocket would go to the bride. The musicians would then play a nice kinda march on balalaikas and accordions and the guests would line up and gift money to the couple! That would kinda pay for the wedding- perhas the photographer.

At ultra-orthodox Jewish wedding the couple is seated in the middle of the dance floor and the guys dance in a circle around them doing some pretty wild "Kosak " dances- squatting and kicking their legs forward while balance things like wine bottles or lighted candelabras balanced on their heads. Then they lift couple, chairs and all and dance around the hall with them up in the air. They then do the same with the parents and grandparents. When the parents are marrying off their last child (empty nest) everyone in the room dances around them and places little crowns of flowers on there heads.

At certain Middle Eastern and North African cultures the do a Henna party- special costumes , dances and even some belly dancing.

If you do this job long long enough you will see just about everything! Keeps things interesting and makes for some great shots. Messing around with tennis balls seem rather tame!

I don't worry about TTL or any special automated exposure method. The light surrounding the room provide an even exposure right across the entire room- they are the main lights. They can be a flat, 35 to 45 degree light, a side light or a kicker depending on my camera position. The camera light is the fill light. I can adjust the ratio by simply varying the output. I set the aperture for the main light exposure. If I want to admit more ambient light, I just slow down the shutter. I use my big old unsophisticated commercial lights for large venues- Speedotrons and a few big 1200 w/s Bowens units. I get f/11 right across the room. I synch everything with Pocket Wizards.

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Feb 1, 2019 09:22:28   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Ok- I'll play! A few remarks:

I don't worry about TTL or any special automated exposure method. The light surrounding the room provide an even exposure right across the entire room- they are the main lights. They can be a flat, 35 to 45 degree light, a side light or a kicker depending on my camera position. The camera light is the fill light. I can adjust the ratio by simply varying the output. I set the aperture for the main light exposure. If I want to admit more ambient light, I just slow down the shutter. I use my big old unsophisticated commercial lights for large venues- Speedotrons and a few big 1200 w/s Bowens units. I get f/11 right across the room. I synch everything with Pocket Wizards.
Ok- I'll play! A few remarks: br br I don't worr... (show quote)


That's my thought as well. I didn't explain it as well, but I still don't see why people think TTL is easier? Fiddling around and guessing with exposure compensation (especially when we are talking white dresses and black tuxes) with a variety of backgrounds, is just harder for me to wrap my head around, than taking a quick reading of the actual light, and set my camera for the best exposure. If I don't use a light meter, I can still get close enough quickly with a test shot, that I can fix it in post, but I'd rather not spend the extra time in post, and just take a reading up front.

In a perfect world, I can take readings the day before, or look at my notes from a previous reception in the venue.

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Feb 1, 2019 09:41:15   #
Pistnbroke Loc: UK
 
I have no concept of why you would not use auto iso and ittl ...its perfect every time and has been for years .
Are you using Nikon ..I never had a problem with burning etc inside or outside. I always have base iso at 200 -6400 1/320 FP F8 and use an SB400 over the lens ..With flash on the iso goes to 800

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Feb 1, 2019 10:21:25   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
Pistnbroke wrote:
I have no concept of why you would not use auto iso and ittl ...its perfect every time and has been for years .
Are you using Nikon ..I never had a problem with burning etc inside or outside. I always have base iso at 200 -6400 1/320 FP F8 and use an SB400 over the lens ..With flash on the iso goes to 800


Different strokes for different folks my friend.

I've been at the wedding photography game for about 33 years, and learned the trade through a mentor, who also learned through a mentor. I learned when everything was manual, and personally find that to be much easier than using all the auto this and that. I don't put down those who do, but as you say "I have no concept of why you find Auto ISO and ttl, 'perfect' every time"

Yes, I shoot Nikon, moved from Canon to Nikon about 12 years ago (ish), but am fairly comfortable using either system, I only switched because my mentor passed away, and I inherited a lot of state of the art (at the time) Nikon equipment. It's not the brand, or model of the camera, it's how you use it.

Again, just my opinion. We're all free to have our own, and share our experiences and thoughts and feelings on a variety of subjects. If we all felt exactly the same, this would be a boring world.

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Feb 1, 2019 11:03:31   #
jaysnave Loc: Central Ohio
 
bkyser wrote:
Different strokes for different folks my friend.

I've been at the wedding photography game for about 33 years, and learned the trade through a mentor, who also learned through a mentor. I learned when everything was manual, and personally find that to be much easier than using all the auto this and that. I don't put down those who do, but as you say "I have no concept of why you find Auto ISO and ttl, 'perfect' every time"

Yes, I shoot Nikon, moved from Canon to Nikon about 12 years ago (ish), but am fairly comfortable using either system, I only switched because my mentor passed away, and I inherited a lot of state of the art (at the time) Nikon equipment. It's not the brand, or model of the camera, it's how you use it.

Again, just my opinion. We're all free to have our own, and share our experiences and thoughts and feelings on a variety of subjects. If we all felt exactly the same, this would be a boring world.
Different strokes for different folks my friend. ... (show quote)


Managing light and getting exposure is all about whichever technique you are comfortable with. Many ways to achieve the same result although I have not found any of them to be "perfect every time". Perhaps taking the time to use a light meter placed in front of your subject would be perfect every time. Thus the reason we use quicker methods when the environment is dynamic and changing. Ambient light changing, distance to subject, subject moving, etc... Using TTL can work for those experienced with it. I have seen demos. Accuracy depends on many things none more important than your metering mode. The camera is metering on what you show it (through the lens) and matrix seems to do a better job of getting in the ballpark. Spot metering is dangerous using TTL as if you jostle the lens away from your subject onto a bright light and you have a mess. If TTL is consistently to dark or too light for your taste then use the exposure compensation dial. Sort of same as changing the power in manual mode. I do like auto ISO in manual mode. This is a favorite with landscape and wildlife photographers. I have tried TTL and auto ISO as Pistinbroke suggested with so so results. The challenges are fun and I am still trying to find my niche. Someday.

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Feb 1, 2019 11:37:11   #
Pistnbroke Loc: UK
 
I work with my wife and she takes great wedding photos particularly of the getting ready. but technically she does not have a clue ..could not change a battery and does not even know where it goes. Her D850 is like a compact ..all the dials are taped up so she cannot change anything .Just turn flash on or off .She even leaves the camera ON right through the wedding ...works fine in all situations. My camera is the same settings ..never change anything no need and no time ..1500 shots at a wedding no problem. I concentrate on whats in front of the camera not the camera its just an extension of my arm.
As you say whatever floats your boat and that's the joy of photography.

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Feb 1, 2019 15:46:22   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
jaysnave wrote:
Managing light and getting exposure is all about whichever technique you are comfortable with. Many ways to achieve the same result although I have not found any of them to be "perfect every time". Perhaps taking the time to use a light meter placed in front of your subject would be perfect every time. Thus the reason we use quicker methods when the environment is dynamic and changing. Ambient light changing, distance to subject, subject moving, etc... Using TTL can work for those experienced with it. I have seen demos. Accuracy depends on many things none more important than your metering mode. The camera is metering on what you show it (through the lens) and matrix seems to do a better job of getting in the ballpark. Spot metering is dangerous using TTL as if you jostle the lens away from your subject onto a bright light and you have a mess. If TTL is consistently to dark or too light for your taste then use the exposure compensation dial. Sort of same as changing the power in manual mode. I do like auto ISO in manual mode. This is a favorite with landscape and wildlife photographers. I have tried TTL and auto ISO as Pistinbroke suggested with so so results. The challenges are fun and I am still trying to find my niche. Someday.
Managing light and getting exposure is all about w... (show quote)


Don't get me wrong Jay. I don't do readings for every photo. What I do is take a reading when there is a drastic change, like going inside to outside. I take readings in the wedding venue during the rehearsal, then dial it in using my screen. From that point, the settings don't generally change much, until you go to a different location. Remember, you are taking readings of the light, not light bouncing off the subject.

Then, going to the place where the meal is served, whether in the Church Basement, or reception hall, I get another quick reading. Once the food is done, I get another reading when the dancing starts. If you think about it, other than the DJ lights, which will be something that does have to be fiddled with, the ambient room lights stay fairly consistent during each separate part.

Again, it's just what works for me. I just didn't want you picturing fat, bald, little old me taking a reading before every single press of the shutter.

It also does help that with experience, I can get fairly close to the exposure by looking at a lighting situation.

The actual thing that is a real pain is when you have a windy, day with intermittent clouds. The brides usually have enough hair product to produce a helmet, but the constantly changing light, means that I have to keep my thumb on my command dial to change the shutter speed to adjust for the constantly changing ambient light.... the flash will still remain the same though.

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Feb 1, 2019 16:56:44   #
Pistnbroke Loc: UK
 
have a look here www.1and1photography.co.uk let me know

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Feb 2, 2019 09:06:40   #
jaysnave Loc: Central Ohio
 
Pistnbroke wrote:
have a look here www.1and1photography.co.uk let me know



Looks great. The tennis ball heart shape effect is just as I imagined. I may be in Swindon next year doing an event. If so I will reach out for travel advise!

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May 27, 2019 17:39:20   #
Jules Karney Loc: Las Vegas, Nevada
 
bkyser wrote:
Whitt, I'm going to "attack" this from a different perspective. From your experience with sports photography, and the other good points on lighting, (I agree, get at least one flash off camera on a stand, you can get pretty creative with it) I'll assume you'll be fine with lighting and operating the camera.

What I want to touch on is what will make your photos worthwhile, instead of just a bunch of random photos of a bunch of people.

I go over this with any apprentice or second shooter. One or 2 wide angle shots of the entire reception is all that is needed. Any more than that will just be thrown in the trash or never printed or put in an album/. What you need to do is first, before everyone arrives, get detail shots of the tables, decorations, the cake, etc. During the meal, go to each and every table, and have the people all move to one side of the table and pose for you. Nobody wants a wide angle photo of several guests looking away, or shoving food in their mouths. A great table shot with all the people looking at you smiling, is something that will be treasured. Walk around and get as many shots as you can of people laughing, or whispering in someone's ear, anything that shows how much fun people are having. The best part of this is that you all but guarantee that you will get a shot of 99% of every guest at the wedding reception. If you wander around the edge of the room, just trying to snipe a photo here and there, you will end up with a bunch of unflattering shots of people, and only because of luck and numbers, may end up with a possibly good shot for the album.

Talk to the event planner if there is one (usually not these days), or the DJ (in the event of no planner, the DJ will set the pace for the evening as far as what happens when. (at least a good one will.)

Obviously, know when to be where by what the planner or DJ tells you, and be prepared for all the events. The cutting of the cake, don't just walk up behind the crowd and try to grab your shots. Let the couple know that you will need to be front row center, and don't start without you there. Once there, you take charge, you tell them when to cut the cake when you have the correct position (it is only done once, you can't just hang out and "hope" you get the shot) Let them know that you will count down for them to cut the cake, and I normally will do several of this part, so you get the knife at the top of the cake, and the looks on their faces as the knife hits bottom (they always tend to instinctively look at each other and smile after the knife goes down) get the "sports action" shots of them feeding each other the cake, and hopefully not smashing it in each other's faces, but be prepared for it.

Do the same with the bouquet toss and garter toss. TAKE CHARGE, let them know that you need to be in position, and you will tell them when it's ready to go. If you can catch sports action, you can get good shots of the bouquet and garter ready to be tossed, in mid air, and people trying to catch(or in the case of the garter, men running away from) the toss.

On the "special" (first, or other) dances, get a full body shot of each dance, and a close up of the faces of each person's face doing the dance, mother of the groom, father of the groom, and the bride and groom. These often show great emotion. No need to take 10 shots of each dance unless something really stands out. It just means more culling later.

For games, like the "shoe game" or whatever. Just a few shots that show what is happening, and then if you can get some reaction shots of the guests laughing, or a close up of the bride or groom as long as they look like their having fun, is all you need.

On the speeches, please, as someone who does a LOT of these and a lot of culling, one shot of each person giving the speech, one shot that shows the expressions of the couple looking at who's giving the speech, hopefully laughing or wiping a tear is plenty for each speech. I've had to cull/edit weddings with tons of shots of each and every person giving speeches, and 50 angles of the head table. It just takes hours to go through all that. Handing the couple a disk of images like that is also overwhelming. They only want the ones worth printing, or putting in a book, not 50 expressions on the same person's face, people yawning, or people shoving food in their faces.

On the dance floor. Get the couple dancing with each other, and with other people. One or 2 shots of kids dancing, kids are always dancing is enough. Grab a wide shot or two of the whole dance floor, and a few of people that are having a particular amount of fun. Again, from experience working with inexperienced photographers, don't just concentrate on the pretty girls. Us old fat guys on the dance floor can provide some memorable photos as well. HAHA.

The main thing to take away is, you need to take control, and don't be afraid to say "excuse me" and step in front of someone to get the shot. If you are "hired" to be the photographer, you can't be timid. Don't be rude, but they want you to get the shots.

Finally, you notice I keep saying album. I would suggest that if they are just getting disks of images from the photographers from the ceremony and formals, why don't you put together a nice wedding album for them with all the photos, and present it to them as a wedding gift? My kids and grandkids look at my parent's wedding photos, and my wedding photos (both before today's nice albums, just photos put in slip in sheets) The albums are something that can sit on a coffee table for 50 years, and people will still enjoy getting them out and looking at them. If they are on a disk, in a drawer somewhere, nobody will enjoy them. An album is the best gift of all.

Just my 8 cents. (a lot more than the 2 cents, I had planned on typing)

bk
Whitt, I'm going to "attack" this from a... (show quote)


Great information. You can tell you have done this before.

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May 29, 2019 11:18:29   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
Jules Karney wrote:
Great information. You can tell you have done this before.


HA, once or twice. I do know that my way isn't the only way.

Thanks

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