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Dec 16, 2018 08:00:26   #
The Villages Loc: The Villages, Florida
 
Never used a grip, so this question.

I know that a grip houses (or can house) a battery. Will the features of a grip (added shutter release etc.) work only with the extra battery placed in the grip, or can its features work off of the the battery in the camera itself....realizing that there is less overall power?

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Dec 16, 2018 08:31:30   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
My grip story is a little different. I shoot with an Oly micro 4/3s and just got a ProMaster L-bracket for my camera which had a grip! Pretty sweet.

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Dec 16, 2018 08:35:19   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
For me it is strictly about the ergonomics of shooting in vertical orientation that makes me use a grip.

There is a positive comfort factor - but it is mitigated by the greater size and weight.

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Dec 16, 2018 09:27:09   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
All my cameras have grips, I don't really consider them to be a necessity for my full frame canons but they do give my cameras better balance with larger lenses which I do use quite frequently. For my Fuji X-T2 I can't imagine not having a grip on that camera because the body is so small I really think that shooting would be somewhat uncomfortable without the added size and girth afforded by the grip.

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Dec 16, 2018 09:38:49   #
Jules Karney Loc: Las Vegas, Nevada
 
larryepage wrote:
Initial disclaimer: This post is pretty long. Some folks don't like long posts, which is understandable. I'm trying to avoid writing long posts, but the "Reader's Digest" version of this one just didn't seem to work, so it won't hurt my feelings if you are one of those and decide that it is not for you and want to move on. It is prompted by my professional experience as an industrial engineer and the ergonomic work that I did as part of a career in that field.

There does not appear to have been much discussion here around the benefits or detriments of accessory grips for cameras, at least recently. I personally have been through a cycle of preference around using or not using add-on grips, but found myself in a situation a week ago in which add-on grips would have been very beneficial. That experience has caused me to reexamine my own preferences. My decisions have already been made and actions taken, so this discussion is not for me, but rather to generate some (hopefully helpful) discussion among the group here.

It may be helpful to know what my history with grips has been. So here goes.

My initial entry to digital photography was with a FujiFilm S5 Pro purchased as a closeout. That camera had a large plastic body (don't remember the exact Nikon equivalent) effectively the same as a medium size body with a grip attached. It was very comfortable to use, and included a second shutter release for use when shooting in portrait orientation. But because it was sooooo slooooow to operate, I moved fairly quickly to a D200, which offered much faster power up, some additional resolution, and faster and less awkward operation. It also chewed through battery charges really fast (or at least it seemed to do so). So I added a Nikon grip in order to have a second battery at the ready and also realized that it made the camera much more comfortable to hold and operate. This was my standard configuration for many years. The D200 grip was different from many current models in that both batteries were in the grip and could be quickly and easily removed for charging. Somewhere along the way, though, I removed the grip and began just carrying a spare battery or two in my pocket. The change was probably made to reduce weight and bulk, but came at a cost. My CBJR flash bracket was designed to properly fit the camera and grip, but would not properly work with the camera body alone...the anti-rotate plate would not fit properly against the bottom front of the camera body.

Later on down the road, I acquired a D300 and D300s, both used. One of them came to me with a couple of 3rd party grips, but neither of them would work properly with either of the bodies. One of them would cause the camera to lock up at random, requiring removal and replacement to reset everything, and the other just didn't work...it didn't deliver all the functionality that it was designed for. And both were of very disappointing materials and build quality. So I never used them. This wasn't really a problem, however, because the D300 went so much further on a charged battery that there was rarely a need even to use the spare that I still carried.

I've written elsewhere here that eventually I needed to acquire a D810 and a specialty lens in order to be able to execute some specialty photography that the D300 was not capable of. Because of cost (which has been discussed here), because the budget was already depleted, and because of my habit of shooting without a grip, I didn't buy one. And when I later bought a D850 to serve as a second body, I again did not buy a grip. Just no perceived need.

So now let's come to earlier this month. I had been requested to photograph our choir's annual Christmas program at church. This was all going to have to be done from the rear balcony, since my worn out knee prevents quickly moving from spot to spot and going up and down stairs quickly. Photographs included "grand" shots of the the entire front of the sanctuary (some including the congregation) at 14-24 mm, intermediate shots of just the choir (70 mm) or ensembles (~200 mm), and tight shots of soloists and trios/quartets (300-500 mm). Lighting was low key, so I was using ISO of 2500 and WB of 2500K in order to provide quick-turn JPEGs in addition to the raw images. This ended up involving 4 lenses on three camera bodies throughout the evening. (14-24 2.8, 17-55 2.8 (on the D300), 70-200 2.8, and 200-500 5.6) Any switching was between the 14-24 and the 70-200.

Both of my hands have some arthritis, and the combination of that, of switching cameras, and of hand-holding the cameras, my hands were pretty tired and sore by the end of the evening. The second night, I decided to try an experiment, so a genuine MB-D10 grip recently purchased on this site went on the D300s and it went back for a second round, even though the plan had been to just use the full frame bodies to capture soloists and small groups. I was astounded to be reminded of how much more comfortable it was to handle the camera with the grip, even though it was a little bit heavier.

The bottom line of all this is that by my calculation, most OEM battery grips are priced at about 12.5% of the price of the cameras they are made to fit. Not really a big impact in light of the additional functionality and comfort that they provide, in my opinion. I wonder whether in at least some cases, addition of a grip should at least be considered as an alternative lower cost and lower impact alternative to a complete system changeout for some of us for whom weight and size seems to have become a problem. I know that is true for me and that I will begin suggesting it as an alternative to taking more drastic measures.

I would be interested to hear about your experiences with these grips.
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I bought a Vello grip for my D7100 a long time ago. It never quite fit as others has said. From then on it was Nikon grips period. I was never sorry. Yes they cost but worth it.

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Dec 16, 2018 10:31:05   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Jules Karney wrote:
I bought a Vello grip for my D7100 a long time ago. It never quite fit as others has said. From then on it was Nikon grips period. I was never sorry. Yes they cost but worth it.


I have both Canon and third party grips on my Canon bodies and can't tell the difference, I did read reviews prior to purchasing my third party grip but it is every bit as good as the very costly Canon grip.

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Dec 16, 2018 11:19:54   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
Jules Karney wrote:
I bought a Vello grip for my D7100 a long time ago. It never quite fit as others has said. From then on it was Nikon grips period. I was never sorry. Yes they cost but worth it.



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Dec 16, 2018 12:09:36   #
brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
OEM grips for me. 6D MKII & & 7D MKII

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Dec 16, 2018 12:35:29   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
I honestly cannot stand a D/SLR without a grip.

- Without a vertical shutter release really cramps my style.

- Center of gravity becomes lower.

- Balance becomes better.

- FPS shooting is usually increased.

I've had numerous NIKON grips without an issue, Ive had one knockoff which also performed well but the second shutter release was a bit awkward.

My $0.02, YMMV.

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Dec 16, 2018 12:41:37   #
Geegee Loc: Peterborough, Ont.
 
The battery grips do make the camera feel nicer when taking vertical shots and I had one on each of my cameras. However, I like to keep my tripod plate installed on my cameras at all times and it makes the feel of the camera/grip undesirable when taking a vertical shot as the plate digs into the palm of my right hand. I don't use them any more.

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Dec 16, 2018 13:35:44   #
DennisC. Loc: Antelope, CA
 
warrior wrote:
I am waiting for The Vello grip for Fujifilm XT-3


The X-T3 grip has been on sale for quite some time.

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Dec 16, 2018 15:18:04   #
Bipod
 
larryepage wrote:
Bipod--

You are correct that grips come in many different shapes and sizes. Each of them can help hold a camera. My initial thought ran to the attachable battery grip, because using one of them doesn't really change the basic means of using the camera or the fundamental way that it is used.

The only area where I might disagree with your comments is that even during the film days, camera body design was already changing. Corners and edges were being rounded for more comfortable handling. Although I cannot recall the model number, Olympus shortened the left side of the body of one of their cameras (an SLR, as I recall), moving the exposure area over almost against the slot of the film canister and reducing the overall width of the body significantly. Other manufacturers also gradually made similar changes. So there has been at least some focus on ergonomics in camera design for many years.
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Yes, I remember: Olympus was innovative. They put the shutter speed on a ring on the lens mount.

There has been evolution. But if you compare still camers to video cameras, you'll still see an enormous
difference.

Most people like whatever they are used to -- whether it's wooden shoes, corsets, powdered wigs, or whatever--
and can't imagine it could be different or easier.

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Dec 16, 2018 16:27:38   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
The biggest reason that made me get a grip :-) was to get a better grip on my camera. I like wrapping my hand around it. Feels more secure and steady.
Secondary reason is for easier vertical holding and shutter & back-button-focus button access.

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Dec 16, 2018 17:20:19   #
DennisC. Loc: Antelope, CA
 
If you are using a Fujifilm or older Sony camera you need the grip for the battery life.

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Dec 17, 2018 00:51:53   #
aubreybogle Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
Dngallagher wrote:
I buy grips for my camera's, but I buy the OEM grips. While they may be priced higher, they fit perfectly and are quality. I have had several cheap knockoffs and each had quality issues as well as electronic issues on my Nikon. I ended up with a nice Nikon OEM grip that went for $200.00, cost of my D7100 was $1200.00 (15% roughly) when I switched to a Canon 80D, I did not hesitate to pick up the correct OEM grip for it at a cost of 169.00. Roughly 14% of the camera body cost, but same quality.

I prefer a grip to double battery life and provide a larger easily grip-able camera that fills my hand - a Man's camera

I would always recommend going with the OEM grip, yes, they are more expensive then the knockoffs, but they are also top quality inside and out in my opinion.
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Agree. Longer battery life, and minimal camera delays are important. Look for used camera vendors for bargins.

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