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Dec 11, 2018 13:37:58   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
RWR wrote:
The 24-70 is sharper from 24 to 27mm, the 28-300 is sharper from 71 to 300mm.


True! And that's its big advantage over the 24-70mm. Beyond 70mm, there's simply no comparison.

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Dec 11, 2018 14:06:23   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
jerryc41 wrote:
True! And that's its big advantage over the 24-70mm. Beyond 70mm, there's simply no comparison.


"literally" no comparison

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Dec 11, 2018 15:14:43   #
rbmitch123
 
Thanks Jerry.
Most helpful.

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Dec 11, 2018 15:55:50   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
rbmitch123 wrote:
I have a Death Valley trip planned. To get the sharpest shots with my d810 is there a noticeable difference between the nikkor 24-70mm f2.8 and the Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5 at the wide angle range? Both are AF lenses.


I think if I were going to DV I would put my old 20mm prime on my Nikon and forget zooms. I know while traveling in desert SW years ago that lens stayed on my old FM and I got some beautiful images - hundreds of them. Never missed a longer lens/

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Dec 11, 2018 16:03:12   #
rbmitch123
 
Thanks !!!

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Dec 11, 2018 16:16:49   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
I mostly use my 16-35 in Death Valley. I have a 28-300 and agree it does not compare on sharpness with the smaller range zooms. But it has its place when a wide zoom range with the simplicity of not changing lenses is what you need.

And when a coyote or roadrunner appears I go to the 200-500 on my DX camera.

I note several professional photographers use the 28-300, particularly photojournalists where getting the action shot with flexible zoom is what matters.

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Dec 11, 2018 16:19:06   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
CatMarley wrote:
I think if I were going to DV I would put my old 20mm prime on my Nikon and forget zooms. I know while traveling in desert SW years ago that lens stayed on my old FM and I got some beautiful images - hundreds of them. Never missed a longer lens/


Passed up some nice wildlife opportunities.

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Dec 11, 2018 16:29:59   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Gene has always been hard on the 28-300, but many of us have found it to be a great lens. I have been able to seriously crop using mine and still get sharp results. As others have said, however, the 24-70 is as outstanding camera. While some have recommended the 24-120, if anything when I've used it, I wish it had been wider.

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Dec 11, 2018 18:10:32   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
IDguy wrote:
Passed up some nice wildlife opportunities.


Not really, unless you like Chuckawallas and horned toads. Different story in the Black Hills or Wyoming.

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Dec 11, 2018 20:04:45   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
CatMarley wrote:
I think if I were going to DV I would put my old 20mm prime on my Nikon and forget zooms. I know while traveling in desert SW years ago that lens stayed on my old FM and I got some beautiful images - hundreds of them. Never missed a longer lens/



I concur.

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Dec 11, 2018 20:24:26   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
CatMarley wrote:
Not really, unless you like Chuckawallas and horned toads. Different story in the Black Hills or Wyoming.


No bison but Death Valley has coyotes, roadrunners, and a host of birds of prey. And in the surrounds deer, elk, and big horn sheep. Just to name a few.

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Dec 11, 2018 20:42:24   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
IDguy wrote:
No bison but Death Valley has coyotes, roadrunners, and a host of birds of prey. And in the surrounds deer, elk, and big horn sheep. Just to name a few.


Then it must have changed since I was a child and lived in the Mojave desert only a short distance from DV. Sidewinders, and Horned Toads, and an occasional Jackrabbit were rare finds, and the Coyotes raided our garbage cans stealthily in the predawn hours. Out in the Coso range you could find wild Burros, but you had to be on horseback to see them. The desert is a very quiet place. Most critters are nocturnal because it is so hot during the day except in winter. And most are small, shy and camoflaged. If you are a dedicated wildlife photographer, know when and where to find specific critters, and have lots of time and patience, you might be able to get photos of desert wildlife, but the rocks are a heck of a lot easier to shoot. Lugging a big old tele in hopes of capturing these shy retiring critters would lead mostly to a sore neck and a lot of disappointment, at least in the Mojave Desert I am familiar with.

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Dec 11, 2018 21:52:00   #
User ID
 
whwiden wrote:

I take it you meant from "24 to 70mm" and not
from "24 to 27mm"? Making the super zoom
sharper only in a range for which the 24-70mm
is incapable of shooting?


No. He means what he wrote.

TRY READING CAREFULLY

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Dec 11, 2018 21:57:31   #
User ID
 
IDguy wrote:
.........

I note several professional photographers use
the 28-300, particularly photojournalists where
getting the action shot with flexible zoom is
what matters.



Well yeah. That IS what working photographers
prefer. But they are not pixel peeping geeks. No
working photographer worries about max IQ. If
the client doesn't care, we don't care. And the
client NEVER NEVER EVER cares ... NEVUUUH !

.

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Dec 12, 2018 06:37:22   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
SteveR wrote:
Gene has always been hard on the 28-300, but many of us have found it to be a great lens. I have been able to seriously crop using mine and still get sharp results. As others have said, however, the 24-70 is as outstanding camera. While some have recommended the 24-120, if anything when I've used it, I wish it had been wider.


Yes, I am hard on that lens - because it isn't as sharp as what I typically use. If you haven't used a 300mm F2.8 or even a 70-200 F2.8 with a 1.4 TC - you have no real basis for comparison. I much prefer my old Sigma 100-300 F4 lens - which is tack sharp, at F5.6 and blows away the 28-300 over the same focal length range. When it was released there was no high mp DSLR - we had a D3S, D700, D300. There was a 24 mp D3X, but it was primarily a studio camera, due to it's slow handling. The 28-300 looks "ok" when used with a 12 mp crop camera, like a D300. But buying something like that for a D810? Probably not the best way to spend money.

I don't make stuff like this up -

https://photographylife.com/lenses/nikon-af-s-nikkor-28-300mm-f3-5-5-6g-ed-vr

The first comment in the reader responses is precious, "Another lens in my arsenal, practical but lot’s of distortion and visible chromatic aberration. I use my 24-70 F2.8 a lot more, picture quality is superior I think, especially when using a D800 which really shine with the best lenses." It seems I am not alone.

Oh, here is another one:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/42030713

And the author couldn't be clearer when he writes "Sharpness is a common question, and we all know you need the best glass to make the D800 really shine. Lets get this out of the way, the 28-300 isn't a really sharp lens and the corners are mush. There is also a lot of coma." He goes on to say, ". . . it struggles in low-light. Its probably the only lens that I have that with the D800, it hunts and sometimes just gives up. Still, I was able to get some decent results when the light is decent."

Now this guy is ok with using it as a travel camera, and for not critical situations, where convenience takes precedence to the need for image quality. And that says that is it not a good first choice.

This guy also had very mixed feelings:

https://blog.mingthein.com/2012/04/26/review-a-controversial-lens-the-nikon-afs-28-3003-5-5-6-vr-g/

"Mine isn’t so hot at 28mm – in fact, it’s downright crappy (flare, aberrations, lack of sharpness and contrast) at 28mm until f5.6; curiously, you can manual focus it to a sharper image – however, using that AF-fine tune calibration throws out every other focal length. From 35mm to 200mm or so, this lens is right up there with the rest of them – it’s sharp, contrasty, and has plenty of bite. It’s lacking micro contrast though, which I suspect is a consequence of having a huge number of elements and air-glass interfaces: a little bit of contrast is lost at each one, no matter how good your coating is. Above 200mm, things soften to the point that 300mm isn’t that good wide open, and requires f8 to be useable."

His experience was a little different than mine when using a D700 and a D800 - he actually found it was a little better, stopped down, on a D800. I tried 3 different copies and saw just the opposite. He also is right on the money with AF-Fine Tune - something that I have been saying for years - it is not a good solution since fixing one focal length/distance affects all other focal lengths and distances - but this the subject of another thread.

Last, but not least, there are these two reviews:

http://www.opticallimits.com/nikon_ff/578-nikkorafs28300vrff

https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Nikon/AF-S-NIKKOR-28-300mm-f-3.5-5.6-ED-VR-mounted-on-Nikon-D810__963

It's really hard to come away after reading these evaluations and testing three different copies of this lens on 3 bodies - D300, D700, D800) thinking it is anything but mediocre at best - with all sorts of caveats.

At $950, it's a lot of money to spend on a so-so lens. No bias here, just facts and personal experience.

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