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Aug 13, 2012 09:59:24   #
gdwsr Loc: Northern California
 
tayco wrote:
It is a facinating thing to watch all the bees come back and forth carrying the pollen, and i see all the sharp pictures that everyone posts here. I am having trouble capturing the "flight of the honey bee" . Can you tell exactly where my focus is set in theese? Any help is appreciated in advance, always learning!
P.S. Pardon the weeds it is almost the only thing growing !


Hi Tayco. All good advice here. Since you asked about focus I zoomed in to see where it was. (it was on one of the nearer bees but that's not important) All of the bees suffered from motion blur. I think I get what you are trying to capture: several bees at "work". To do that you are going to have to get in close (as others have said) and use a small aperture to get them all in focus. And prefocus manually.

I cropped you photo at about 200x trying to show a balance between too wide while getting "close".

Usually, flash doesn't bother wildlife but doing so repeatedly on bees -- I don't know. You might consider setting up lights (strong LEDs maybe) and a tripod for your camera.

Good luck

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Aug 13, 2012 10:43:40   #
glojo Loc: South Devon, England
 
tayco wrote:


Thank you for the advice. It is our hive, and the bees are quite used to us being "in the way". i have to walk directly through the flight path to get to the shed. I feel comfortable getting close, but i wll take another and post tonight, if it is not raining, on the new advice i have gotten.


Sorry for the confusion and I'm sure you feel comfortable being close to the hive, but is that grey-ish coloured wood as photogenic as a pretty flower?

Yes we can narrow down the depth of field to mask out the hive but the back drop would still be there.

If you are serious about capturing a bee in flight then you need to be close and you will know where there favourite flowers are?

I took half a dozen pictures of bees last night and was amazed at the amount of pollen that they were soaked in.

Quick question for you..

I get really close to wasp nests to take images of these insects making their nests and if I were to get stung by one, does that then give off fermions which then attract other wasps who come in to attack and does this apply to bees?

I'm asking you this as you appear to know your onions :)

gdwsr,
Hi and just saw your post and please do not think I am disagreeing with you :oops: :oops: :oops:

You raise a very good point and the 'runway' approach to the hive would add to the story if multiple bees were caught... A great challenge :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Aug 13, 2012 10:54:37   #
gdwsr Loc: Northern California
 
glojo wrote:

gdwsr,
Hi and just saw your post and please do not think I am disagreeing with you :oops: :oops: :oops:

You raise a very good point and the 'runway' approach to the hive would add to the story if multiple bees were caught... A great challenge :thumbup: :thumbup:


Glojo, I too was not disagreeing with you. In fact I agree the hives (as shown here) are not adding anything. Although, with great care to composition it might be done in a way that adds context. I was just suggesting isolating fewer bees; all the concepts of composition still apply.

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Aug 13, 2012 11:24:11   #
glojo Loc: South Devon, England
 
gdwsr wrote:
glojo wrote:

gdwsr,
Hi and just saw your post and please do not think I am disagreeing with you :oops: :oops: :oops:

You raise a very good point and the 'runway' approach to the hive would add to the story if multiple bees were caught... A great challenge :thumbup: :thumbup:


Glojo, I too was not disagreeing with you. In fact I agree the hives (as shown here) are not adding anything. Although, with great care to composition it might be done in a way that adds context. I was just suggesting isolating fewer bees; all the concepts of composition still apply.
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:thumbup: Yours is a GREAT idea and a nice wide angle lens and getting in REALLY, really, really close might make an amazing image and one I would love to see :)

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Aug 13, 2012 21:21:27   #
tayco Loc: Wisconsin
 
gdwsr wrote:
tayco wrote:
It is a facinating thing to watch all the bees come back and forth carrying the pollen, and i see all the sharp pictures that everyone posts here. I am having trouble capturing the "flight of the honey bee" . Can you tell exactly where my focus is set in theese? Any help is appreciated in advance, always learning!
P.S. Pardon the weeds it is almost the only thing growing !


Hi Tayco. All good advice here. Since you asked about focus I zoomed in to see where it was. (it was on one of the nearer bees but that's not important) All of the bees suffered from motion blur. I think I get what you are trying to capture: several bees at "work". To do that you are going to have to get in close (as others have said) and use a small aperture to get them all in focus. And prefocus manually.

I cropped you photo at about 200x trying to show a balance between too wide while getting "close".

Usually, flash doesn't bother wildlife but doing so repeatedly on bees -- I don't know. You might consider setting up lights (strong LEDs maybe) and a tripod for your camera.

Good luck
quote=tayco It is a facinating thing to watch all... (show quote)


Thank you now i am more excited than ever to get the perfect multiple bee shot. the hive is so low to the ground, that i dont think a tripod will work, but i didn't think that manual focus would either. I will have to try prefocusing, and maybe slip in some kind of backround for the bees. Although, the rustic look of the hive itself may lend itself nicely to the shot. (minus the weeds maybe?)

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Aug 13, 2012 21:37:26   #
tayco Loc: Wisconsin
 
glojo wrote:
tayco wrote:
It is a facinating thing to watch all the bees come back and forth carrying the pollen, and i see all the sharp pictures that everyone posts here. I am having trouble capturing the "flight of the honey bee" . Can you tell exactly where my focus is set in theese? Any help is appreciated in advance, always learning!
P.S. Pardon the weeds it is almost the only thing growing !


Hi Tayco,
You are specifically asking about taking pictures of bees in flight so here is my two penarth...

First off..

1. Get away from that bee hive..

Why on earth are you so close to it? It certainly will never add to the back drop, even if it is out of focus

2. Get closer, get MUCH closer, then get closer again :)

The closer you get the better but get away from the hive.

Do not worry about flash upsetting individual bees and note my wording.. I have used flash to take close up pictures of a wasp nest and not got stung, but have NEVER been near a bee hive so have NO knowledge of how a lot of bees would react

Shutter speeds
You pays your money and take your choices, 1/4000th or this hand held shot is at 1/60th of a second.

I am someone that is more of a snapper than a photographer and this image was shot with me laying on the ground supporting myself and the camera with one arm whilst working the controls with the other.. I can only see a tripod as being a hindrance for this type of shot but if you are happy using a tripod, then 'what ever works for you'

I love capturing bees in flight but to me I like the backdrop of a flower

Apologies for posting an image on your thread but you are being given lots of advice and I thought I would use a picture to support my words.. Capturing a bee on a flower is one thing, getting a shot of them in flight, in focus, is for me a whole new ball game and I wish you all the luck but you need to get closer and I don't know about using a long lens, I certainly do not see the harm in using one, but this image is taken with a 105mm lens.

Hand held
1/60th second
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I dont mind others posting photos, it gives me something to strive for. Like i said, this movement thing is new for me. thanks you for the advice.

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Aug 16, 2012 17:42:35   #
Bret Loc: Dayton Ohio
 
Hand held at 1/400....and yes get in close...sit still...once the bees learn your not going to harm them...they will get right up close...and maybe practice panning with your subject.



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Aug 16, 2012 17:47:10   #
xphotog1 Loc: Lubbock, TX
 
Bret wrote:
Hand held at 1/400....and yes get in close...sit still...once the bees learn your not going to harm them...they will get right up close...and maybe practice panning with your subject.


WOW!!!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :mrgreen:

Al

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Aug 16, 2012 20:25:41   #
tayco Loc: Wisconsin
 
Bret wrote:
Hand held at 1/400....and yes get in close...sit still...once the bees learn your not going to harm them...they will get right up close...and maybe practice panning with your subject.


Nice picture Bret! What F stop did you use? It looks sunny too, what ISO were you at for this? Thanks for looking.

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Aug 16, 2012 20:42:07   #
Bret Loc: Dayton Ohio
 
Thank you tayco. This was at F7.1...and one of the few times I used ISO 125.

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Aug 16, 2012 20:44:55   #
tayco Loc: Wisconsin
 
very nice, i am still waiting for the right time to take some more. The hive is in a shady spot under the apple tree.

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Aug 16, 2012 23:26:19   #
Erv Loc: Medina Ohio
 
Well I worked for a farmer way back.. And he had hives. I was using film at the time so I did not take many shots. But I did use a flash. I just did not take a lot of shots in a row. Put your flash out there and see if it bothers them. I don't think it will. Right now I am trying to get some shots of a Yellow Jacket nest under my porch. It is a big one with tons of them. I have been out there with a flash and they don't seem to mind. And they get mad real fast. And again I take a shot and wait, then take another. I have to lay down to get a shot of their hole and they have walked on my arm a few times. :) Hard not get up and run or smack them. But that is what sets them off. Just be relaxed around them and don't move fast.
Erv

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Aug 16, 2012 23:39:31   #
xphotog1 Loc: Lubbock, TX
 
Erv wrote:
Well I worked for a farmer way back.. And he had hives. I was using film at the time so I did not take many shots. But I did use a flash. I just did not take a lot of shots in a row. Put your flash out there and see if it bothers them. I don't think it will. Right now I am trying to get some shots of a Yellow Jacket nest under my porch. It is a big one with tons of them. I have been out there with a flash and they don't seem to mind. And they get mad real fast. And again I take a shot and wait, then take another. I have to lay down to get a shot of their hole and they have walked on my arm a few times. :) Hard not get up and run or smack them. But that is what sets them off. Just be relaxed around them and don't move fast.
Erv
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Just when I was beginning to think you were smart... :D :D

Al

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Aug 16, 2012 23:53:33   #
Erv Loc: Medina Ohio
 
Hi Al, still chasing the one picture. :) And I never said that about me. :) Heck, I joined up and went to Nam. Bees don't even come close to scaring me. Now lets talk snakes. :)
Erv

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Aug 17, 2012 01:04:12   #
xphotog1 Loc: Lubbock, TX
 
Erv wrote:
Hi Al, still chasing the one picture. :) And I never said that about me. :) Heck, I joined up and went to Nam. Bees don't even come close to scaring me. Now lets talk snakes. :)
Erv


You keep the bees, I'll take the snakes, :D
Al

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