California’s Wildfire and C*****e C****e...What does the Science Say? Let's start with some FACTS (Oops, I know I probably just scared off the winger segment of the Attic) • Almost...

Keenan Loc: Central Coast California

Let's start with some FACTS (Oops, I know I probably just scared off the winger segment of the Attic)

• Almost Half Wildfire Damage on Record Is Recent
• Cal Fire records (going back to 1885) show almost half of the structure loss, half of the fatalities and half of the acreage has all been in the last few years
• California C*****e C****e Assessment Report estimated that the average area burned by wildfires would increase 77 percent by 2100
• California C*****e C****e Assessment Report estimated the frequency of extreme wildfires would increase by nearly 50 percent by 2100

How the record year of wildfires of 2018 corresponds to another record drought year

Total acres burned, by year
January 1, 2018 through November 18, 2018.......872,786
January 1, 2017 through November 18, 2017.......316,774
2017...............................................................505,956
2016...............................................................244,319
2015...............................................................291,282
2014...............................................................163,067

5 year average (same interval)...........................231,619

2018 Combined YTD (CALFIRE & US Forest Service)...1,665,746

10 Largest Fires in California History by acre

Year...........name..................acres

2018.....Mendocino Complex...459,123
2012.....Rush........................315,577
2017.....Thomas....................281,893
2003.....Cedar.......................273,246
2013.....Rim..........................257,314
2007.....Zaca Two..................240,207
2018.....Carr.........................229,651
1932.....Matilda.....................220,000
2007.....Witch.......................197,990
2008.....Klamath Complex......192,038

Latest California C*****e C****e Assessment Report 2018
http://www.climateassessment.ca.gov/

California’s Wildfire and C*****e C****e Warnings Are Still Too Conservative, Scientist Says
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/13112018/california-deadliest-wildfire-c*****e-c****e-warnings-firefighting-costs-too-conservative-scientists

EyeSawYou

Keenan wrote:

Let's start with some FACTS (Oops, I know I probably just scared off the winger segment of the Attic)

• Almost Half Wildfire Damage on Record Is Recent
• Cal Fire records (going back to 1885) show almost half of the structure loss, half of the fatalities and half of the acreage has all been in the last few years
• California C*****e C****e Assessment Report estimated that the average area burned by wildfires would increase 77 percent by 2100
• California C*****e C****e Assessment Report estimated the frequency of extreme wildfires would increase by nearly 50 percent by 2100

How the record year of wildfires of 2018 corresponds to another record drought year

Total acres burned, by year
January 1, 2018 through November 18, 2018.......872,786
January 1, 2017 through November 18, 2017.......316,774
2017...............................................................505,956
2016...............................................................244,319
2015...............................................................291,282
2014...............................................................163,067

5 year average (same interval)...........................231,619

2018 Combined YTD (CALFIRE & US Forest Service)...1,665,746

10 Largest Fires in California History by acre

Year...........name..................acres

2018.....Mendocino Complex...459,123
2012.....Rush........................315,577
2017.....Thomas....................281,893
2003.....Cedar.......................273,246
2013.....Rim..........................257,314
2007.....Zaca Two..................240,207
2018.....Carr.........................229,651
1932.....Matilda.....................220,000
2007.....Witch.......................197,990
2008.....Klamath Complex......192,038

Latest California C*****e C****e Assessment Report 2018
http://www.climateassessment.ca.gov/

California’s Wildfire and C*****e C****e Warnings Are Still Too Conservative, Scientist Says
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/13112018/california-deadliest-wildfire-c*****e-c****e-warnings-firefighting-costs-too-conservative-scientists

b Let's start with some FACTS /b (Oops, I know I... (show quote)

Not sure what the argument is, climate is changing and has been for millions of years before man came on the scene. "California" had a 240-year-long drought that started in the year 850 A.D., and one 50 years later.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

EyeSawYou wrote:

Not sure what the argument is, climate is changing and has been for millions of years before man came on the scene. "California" had a 240-year-long drought that started in the year 850 A.D., and one 50 years later.

Guess you missed the obvious implication...on the other hand, probably not.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

EyeSawYou wrote:

Not sure what the argument is, climate is changing and has been for millions of years before man came on the scene. "California" had a 240-year-long drought that started in the year 850 A.D., and one 50 years later.

The argument is that by 2050 much of the coast will be under water and it will cause caravans of people to move inland which will disrupt the entire world and cause mass starvation.
The argument is that c*****e c****e is being caused by the activities of man and 99% of the worlds scientists agree on that.
For you, the real argument is that your mom's basement will get flooded.

Rose42

Keenan just can't/won't accept that environmentalists and mismanagement played a part in this too. Call it an inconvenient t***h. LOL

Colorful maps and bold text won't change that.

Keenan Loc: Central Coast California

Rose42 wrote:

Keenan just can't/won't accept that environmentalists and mismanagement played a part in this too. Call it an inconvenient t***h. LOL

Colorful maps and bold text won't change that.

Rose just can't stop making sh*t up. She is addicted to bullsh*t.

Rose, your assertion that environmentalists objected to people raking pine needles from their property is about as moronically laughable as your Orange Howler Monkey's assertion that California's wildfires wouldn't have happened if "California had cleaned the floors of the forests". In fact, let's be honest here, Rose. You got your moronic idea that environmentalists stopped people from raking pine needles from your Orange Nincompoop hero, didn't you?

Try not to mimmic the Orange Buffoon's most i***tic nutty made up bullcrap all the time (if you don't want people to crack up in ridicule at you).

Hey Rose, you should learn the difference between dogmatic biased opinions, vs FACT. If you need help, let me know and I will explain the difference to you.

You're welcome.

Rose42

Keenan wrote:

Rose just can't stop making sh*t up. She is addicted to bullsh*t.

Lie #2 for the day.

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Rose, your assertion that environmentalists objected to people raking pine needles from their property is about as moronically laughable as your Orange Howler Monkey's assertion that California's wildfires wouldn't have happened if "California had cleaned the floors of the forests". In fact, let's be honest here, Rose. You got your moronic idea that environmentalists stopped people from raking pine needles from your Orange Nincompoop hero, didn't didn't you?

Lie #3. Quickly approaching yesterday's total of 4!

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Try not to mimmic the Orange Buffoon's most i***tic nutty made up bullcrap all the time (if you don't want people to crack up in ridicule at you).

Hey Rose, you should learn the difference between dogmatic biased opinions, vs FACT. If you need help, let me know and I will explain the difference to you.

I have no counter for your delusions of intellectual grandeur. Maybe I should start one.

Keenan Loc: Central Coast California

Rose42 wrote:

I have no counter for your delusions of intellectual grandeur. Maybe I should start one.

T***SLATION: "I can't rationally argue against your very accurate refutation of my bullsh*t, so I will just hide behind ad hominem attacks and false accusations of dishonesty."

Rose42

Keenan wrote:

T***SLATION: "I have no counter for your very accurate refutation of my bullsh*t, so I will just hide behind ad hominem attacks."

Lie #4. Let's see how high you go today!

Keenan Loc: Central Coast California

Rose42 wrote:

Lie #4. Let's see how high you go today!

K. Let me know when you want that lesson on differentiating between FACT and UNINFORMED OPINION.

You're welcome.

Rose42

Keenan wrote:

K. Let me know when you want that lesson on differentiating between FACT and UNINFORMED OPINION.

That falls into the delusion of intellectual grandeur category. Sorry no count for that because I can't keep up.

I lived in the area and was informed on what was going on.

Keenan Loc: Central Coast California

Rose42 wrote:

That falls into the delusion of intellectual grandeur category. Sorry no count for that because I can't keep up.

I lived in the area and was informed on what was going on.

If you lived in the area, then why do you LIE that environmentalists stopped people from raking their pine needles?

Or, another way to put it, why would you think you would get away with telling such stupid lies?

Rose, Trumpie made up the raking bullsh*t, just do you know. You really should stop believing every dumbass thing that falls out of your Orange Buffoon hero's mouth.

Finland's President Sauli Niinistö doesn't know what the hell Donald Trump is talking about...sound familiar?
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/18/1813831/-Open-thread-for-night-owls-Can-t-the-man-just-leaf-us-alone

Rose42

Keenan wrote:

If you lived in the area, then why do you LIE that environmentalists stopped people from raking their pine needles?

Or, another way to put it, why would you think you would get away with telling such stupid lies?

That's lie #5 for you.

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Rose, Trumpie made up the raking bullsh*t, just do you know. You really should stop believing every dumbass thing that falls out of your Orange Buffoon hero's mouth.

Lie #6. I didn't even know he said that. lol I should probably add a #7 since you claim he's my hero again.

7 it is!

You do realize I was speaking of the Tahoe fire. Maybe not since you have a tendency to fly off the handle.

Keenan Loc: Central Coast California

Rose42 wrote:

Lie #6. I didn't even know he said that. lol I should probably add a #7 since you claim he's my hero again.

7 it is!

You do realize I was speaking of the Tahoe fire. Maybe not since you have a tendency to fly off the handle.

Rose, nobody is buying your nonsense. If you expect anybody to believe that environmentalists stopped people from raking their pine needles, you must think we are really really stupid.

And yes, you DID get the idea from your Trumpie crush, because NOBODY was talking about raking the forest floors until Trumpie made up that stupid bullsh*t last weekend, after he saw on TV a fireman raking ashes. You aren't fooling anyone.

By the way, where did you go to school. Trump University? LOL

Are you ready for that lesson on differentiating between FACT and UNINFORMED OPINION, yet?

Rose42

Keenan wrote:

Rose, nobody is buying your nonsense. If you expect anybody to believe that environmentalists stopped people from raking their pine needles, you must think we are really really stupid.

No not everyone's stupid. lol And that's #8. It didn't say it was environmentalists but that they had a hand in it. It was regulations that stopped them which they changed after the fire -

https://www.unce.unr.edu/publications/files/nr/2006/eb0601.pdf

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And yes, you DID get the idea from your Trumpie crush,

Lie #9. I wonder how many Trump has told today? Before the day ends you may beat him!