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Nov 18, 2018 21:42:55   #
BigQ
 
On a BN line



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Nov 19, 2018 06:39:04   #
Jay Pat Loc: Round Rock, Texas, USA
 
I used to wonder about the locomotives at the rear of the train.
I've been told the rear locomotive(s) sync up by satellite and add power to the front locomotives.
Pat

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Nov 19, 2018 10:26:11   #
ghill42 Loc: Colorado
 
I think the main benefit of putting an engine on the rear of the train, and often in the mid-stream position as well, is to reduce the risk of pulling couplers apart. As freight trains got longer and longer, pulling all that weight from the front alone dramatically increased that problem. Now, rear motive power seems to be a standard configuration with the "heavies." Remote control locos (RCLs) have been in use with the railroads for a long time. The specifics of how those systems communicate with the engineer, I do not know. We need an experienced railroad men to educate us!

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Nov 19, 2018 10:48:39   #
GrayGhost
 
Also provides quicker buildup of the air pressure in the braking system. Supposed to help stop the train quicker (as if you can stop a 7000 ft train quickly.) Also helps pushing up the hills as well so I am told.
73
walt

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Nov 19, 2018 11:41:33   #
Jay Pat Loc: Round Rock, Texas, USA
 
ghill42 wrote:
I think the main benefit of putting an engine on the rear of the train, and often in the mid-stream position as well, is to reduce the risk of pulling couplers apart. As freight trains got longer and longer, pulling all that weight from the front alone dramatically increased that problem. Now, rear motive power seems to be a standard configuration with the "heavies." Remote control locos (RCLs) have been in use with the railroads for a long time. The specifics of how those systems communicate with the engineer, I do not know. We need an experienced railroad men to educate us!
I think the main benefit of putting an engine on t... (show quote)

GrayGhost wrote:
Also provides quicker buildup of the air pressure in the braking system. Supposed to help stop the train quicker (as if you can stop a 7000 ft train quickly.) Also helps pushing up the hills as well so I am told.
73
walt


Great, points.
Pat

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Nov 19, 2018 16:43:21   #
Tim Stapp Loc: Mid Mitten
 
I've seen mid-train "helper" locomotives as well on the Canadian National trains running through Michigan (former Grand Trunk line). All of GrayGhost's points may very well apply as well.

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Nov 23, 2018 19:57:55   #
cabunit Loc: SE Connecticut
 
Yes to help with the braking, because the pressure change (it's a pressure DROP that sets the brakes) comes from both the front and the rear, so more of the train applies its brakes at once. A good setup for that is to have the mid-train unit(s) two thirds of the way back with the last third behind it (them); that way, each third of the train gets equal access.

Yes to help with grades.

And yes for another reason. If a train is pulled around a curve, there's more wear on the inside curve rail from the wheel flanges (think of a string being pulled around a curved surface; all the contact is on the inside of the string). If at least some of the train is being pushed, this pressure is relieved to an extent.

Also, apropos of nothing, the second engine in the photo is a Kansas City Southern unit.

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Nov 23, 2018 20:09:50   #
Tim Stapp Loc: Mid Mitten
 
cabunit wrote:
And yes for another reason. If a train is pulled around a curve, there's more wear on the inside curve rail from the wheel flanges (think of a string being pulled around a curved surface; all the contact is on the inside of the string). If at least some of the train is being pushed, this pressure is relieved to an extent.


On the Marquette Rail line (former Pere Marquette/C&O/CSX) line in Michigan, there are still flange lubricators that lubricate the flanges on the inside of tight radius curves. I'll try in the next few weeks to photograph the lube that has built up on the ties/ballast from the lubricators that are visible from various locations.

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Nov 26, 2018 09:54:35   #
DickC Loc: NE Washington state
 
Very nice, thanks!

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