rpavich Loc: West Virginia

Nice! An Atheist actually speaks the truth about the situation and so he MUST be either wrong or not speaking of "YOUR" kind of science.

Sorry...he's neither dumb, wrong, nor speaking about quantum theory...but hey...thanks for discounting what he said based on the fact that you didn't agree. That's a good illustration of the bias I'm speaking of.



I have no problem with Observational Science at all. None.



Yes! But you missed what he was saying completely.



The bible is replete with hundreds of predictions of future events.

I don't expect you to accept that nor care but it is.




And it cannot work except that God exists to uphold the universe in a rational, orderly fashion. Only He can provide the necessary preconditions to make science possible.



I haven't the faintest idea but if your contention is that unless God does something in front of you that you will accept then He doesn't exist then you are out of luck. God has given you all of the evidence you need...you already KNOW that He exists yet you suppress that knowledge to your own peril.



No they wouldn't. They would keep on ignoring the evidence every day just as they do now...just as you do. Why? Because it's not an intellectual battle but a spiritual one. You don't deny Him because you don't have enough evidence but because you love your sin...and I hope that that changes before you die, otherwise you will get your just punishment.



Men are sinful. Yes they are. All men. Being Christian or Roman Catholic doesn't make one sinless and if you think that's a good reason to disbelieve the God of the bible then you are more of a sloppy thinker than I thought.

X Men believe Y

X Men do bad things

Therefore Y is false.


Horrible argument...really bad.


I know why you make it though, I did too. I wasn't always saved. For most of my life I was atheistic. Hostile to God, hater of God just as you are. Then when I was 45 God saved me. He changed my heart, from a God hater to a God lover. What I once saw as the most stupid foolishness I know see as the most beautiful truth. I was blind but now I see (as the hymn goes)

So yeah...I know exactly where you are coming from and I pray that God saves you before it's too late.

f8lee Loc: New Mexico

I am not a "hater of god" - I recognize that there is no omnipotent being overseeing us all - there's a difference. And yet I would never try to convince anyone else of that - witness this time consuming effort to explain science is not a blind set of beliefs but a process by which we learn more of our universe.

I have to ask - did you read the original bible - the one written in Aramaic? Or are you gleaning your firm beliefs from the translation of the translation that became the King James version? One can wonder what was "lost in translation" as it were.

Never mind answering - it is apparent that there is nothing more to be said. In your own way, you are like a jihadist claiming their set of beliefs is all there is and ever was and can ever be - the only difference being you are not promoting death to those who disagree. So thanks for that. But it is obvious that reality (as it is) will not impinge on the reality in which you blindly believe.

I can see this is not a fruitful conversation and thus will not respond to what will no doubt be your reply declaring victory over the heathen. Now you go have a nice life.

rpavich Loc: West Virginia

Yes you are. I realize that you'd deny it...that's fine, but you are.




Of course to know that, you'd have to have all knowledge in the universe and so you can't.




And yet here you are doing just that. Spending a LOT of time talking about a being whom you say doesn't exist. That's not very logical behavior if you really don't...however if you do but suppress that knowledge it's perfectly consistent.




Science is a discipline. It's a process. Men are driven by their presuppositions, and those presuppositions determine their conclusions. You keep conflating the two as if they are one.





Hahaha...how did I know you'd go there? This is laughable. You don't know the first THING about the bible, I can tell that right off the bat.

However, having said that, yes..I can read Greek and Hebrew (can you?) however I don't need to to know what the bible says...that's just an ignorant idea. Please, let's probe the depths of your bible knowledge.




Good. But I bet you will be back...like a moth to a flame, you profess that you know there is no God yet you are drawn to the discussion like that moth. You can't avoid it. Your actions betray your profession.

Glenn Harve

At one time Al Gores "An Inconvenient Truth" was the holy grail of the new religion of "science" directing politics. Watch it again and count how many of its "truths" actually came true. Yet at the time, well many of us remember. Time sorts out the. Truths.

One must look at the history and process to understand with any hint of relevance. Blind reverance to science of the moment can be just as blind as any short other short sighted reverance. The vast majority of scientific endeavors are proven wrong with time. I was an R&D scientist for years.
That doesnt negate what turns out to be correct, but it certainly deserves some basic recognition for the sake of truth. Otherwise you get Al Gores all over the place.