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Nov 9, 2018 11:04:02   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
When I was a kid and my uncle taught me to shoot a shotgun at moving targets, he made me learn to do so with both eyes open. Because I was pointing with the guidance of my dominant eye, it really wasn't that hard to do. Shooting this way helps maintain better situational awareness and is a lot safer when you are hunting in close proximity to others. It's also why good shooting instructors will have you learn to shoot right- or left-handed based on which is your dominant eye, not on which is your dominant hand.

I've applied that same technique to photography. It was reinforced years ago when I took a photography class at a local college. Once I've got focus established and learned anything I need to know from the viewfinder information display, I keep both eyes open, regardless of what focal length lens I am using. I maintain framing/composition based on the edges in the viewfinder that I see with my right eye, and can decide when to release the shutter based on what my left eye sees. When and if I move to an ILMC, whether an older model with some viewfinder delay or a newer model without, I don't expect to have any problem.

This technique is also helpful since I have developed some non-overlapping visual field loss...I need what I can see with my left eye to fill in some gaps in what I can see with my right eye.

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Nov 9, 2018 13:15:42   #
MaxxtheDog Loc: Milwaukee, WI
 
Thanks Bill,
I would always rent before I buy. Someone suggested that to me a while ago. Never new about the sites you listed before that.
Thanks again.


burkphoto wrote:
I’m a big cheerleader for mirrorless, including Micro 4/3. But in your case, I’d advise you to keep your D500. Try a D5.

Nikon’s mirrorless are not ready for action photographers. Neither are Canon’s mirrorless. Sony’s A9 MIGHT be, but rent one and see for yourself. Low light sports action is one of the few situations in which full frame dSLRs still have a significant edge.

Go to http://www.lensrentals.com and http://www.borrowlenses.com to find rental gear.

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Nov 9, 2018 13:29:03   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Sounds like the EM1-x will be a wonderful sport and wildlife camera.

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Nov 9, 2018 20:46:44   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Sounds like the EM1-x will be a wonderful sport and wildlife camera.


Hi, Clint. What are the rumors sites saying about it?

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Nov 9, 2018 22:18:30   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
burkphoto wrote:
Hi, Clint. What are the rumors sites saying about it?

From 43rumors.com....
“This camera is Olympus big statement that MFT is here to stay. Quality should surpass that of the yet best APS-C camera on the market (like the Fuji X-T3).”

“Another trusted source who saw the camera told me the new E-M1X is a “Canon 1dx level” camera. It means it’s oriented for serious sports photographer and it has an integrated vertical grip! I am working to get some specs and also detailed info on the rumored “unique” features this camera will have. Olympus will throw in a lot of innovation in this camera also to show what’s possible to achieve with a MFT camera.”

“We got a small update on the handheld high resolution mode of the upcoming E-M1X

1) It’s confirmed it can take 80MP images
2) It works at 1/60s
3) It works perfectly with people too if they stand reasoneably still.
E-M1X specs known so far:

Name: E-M1X OMD camera
Body Size: Built in vertical grip and 144.37 x 146.765 x 75.345mm
High Res: Can shoot handheld High Resolution images (around 80MP) at 1/60s
Photography focus: Sports and Wildlife shooters
Launch: January 2019”

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Nov 10, 2018 05:33:10   #
Jerrin1 Loc: Wolverhampton, England
 
MaxxtheDog wrote:
Hi Photo Brain,
I search this site and only show this topic from a few years back.
Currently shooting a D500 for sports. Indoor, outdoor, low light, all of it.
Thinking of going full frame for the night games but wondering if I should hold off for the new cameras.

Has anyone made the switch from their sport DSLR to a mirrorless one?
If so, which one and what pros and cons do you find?

I would like real examples, not theoretical from someone that has only read about them.
Thanks!
Hi Photo Brain, br I search this site and only sh... (show quote)


Take a look at Michael The Maven on Youtube:- Sony A9 vs Canon 1Dxii vs Nikon D5 | Flagship Epic Shootout Review | Which Camera to Buy. It is a well thought out and comprehensive comparison. His video will not answer all of your questions, but it may provide you with an idea as to whether or not you might go mirrorless. I recently swapped my D500 for a Sony A7III, however, if I shot sports instead of wildlife I would have purchased a Sony A9. He has just posted another video comparing the Eye AF of the Sony A7III against that of the Fujifilm X-T3 in sports photography, which may also be of value to you.

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Nov 10, 2018 06:17:45   #
Deanie1113
 
I find that my Panasonic GX8 combined with the Leica 100-400 is ideal for daytime sports (I do mostly baseball) photography. Its burst rate is phenomenal and there is no blackout between bursts so it looks like a movie as you are shooting. The combo has dual stabilization and is pretty light to handhold throughout a game. But for night games, meh, doesn't do well in bad light.

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Nov 10, 2018 06:26:39   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
MaxxtheDog wrote:
Hi Photo Brain,
I search this site and only show this topic from a few years back.
Currently shooting a D500 for sports. Indoor, outdoor, low light, all of it.
Thinking of going full frame for the night games but wondering if I should hold off for the new cameras.

Has anyone made the switch from their sport DSLR to a mirrorless one?
If so, which one and what pros and cons do you find?

I would like real examples, not theoretical from someone that has only read about them.
Thanks!
Hi Photo Brain, br I search this site and only sh... (show quote)


You have THE camera for sports. I use GROUP AUTO FOCUS, continuous auto focus, center weighted metering. My keep rate is 98%. When mirrorless comes out with something that will beat 98%, I'll buy it.
I also have the following lenses, Nikon 70-200 FL, 300 f4 FL, 200-500 5.6, and the new 500 5.6 FL. My favorite is still the 200-500 5.6. Love that lens.
Buddy, believe me, the D500 is a killer sports camera. It has the same focusing processor as the D5 and D850. Nikon put a separate focusing processor in all three camera's. It is the best focusing system out there. A friend of mine has the new Sony A9 with the 100-400 lens. Now, he can shoot 20 fps. and I can only shoot 10 fps. BUT, we get similar results. So, if you already have the D500, all you need is maybe the 70-200 2.8 and you can do a lot of sports both indoor and out with it. I have used ISO 6000 and above with my D500 with no ill effects, especially shooting in RAW with post processing.
You already have the best camera for sports, why switch?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=nikon%20af-s%20nikkor%2070-200mm%20f%2F2.8e%20fl%20ed%20vr%20lens&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ps

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Nov 10, 2018 06:43:51   #
wildweasel
 
I shoot landscape, wildlife and birds in flight with an Olympus EM 1 Mark ll and I have no issue with shutter lag. It can be adjusted in the menu down to zero time, and I get acceptable images at iso 4000 and 5000.

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Nov 10, 2018 08:39:45   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
From 43rumors.com....
“This camera is Olympus big statement that MFT is here to stay. Quality should surpass that of the yet best APS-C camera on the market (like the Fuji X-T3).”

“Another trusted source who saw the camera told me the new E-M1X is a “Canon 1dx level” camera. It means it’s oriented for serious sports photographer and it has an integrated vertical grip! I am working to get some specs and also detailed info on the rumored “unique” features this camera will have. Olympus will throw in a lot of innovation in this camera also to show what’s possible to achieve with a MFT camera.”

“We got a small update on the handheld high resolution mode of the upcoming E-M1X

1) It’s confirmed it can take 80MP images
2) It works at 1/60s
3) It works perfectly with people too if they stand reasoneably still.
E-M1X specs known so far:

Name: E-M1X OMD camera
Body Size: Built in vertical grip and 144.37 x 146.765 x 75.345mm
High Res: Can shoot handheld High Resolution images (around 80MP) at 1/60s
Photography focus: Sports and Wildlife shooters
Launch: January 2019”
From 43rumors.com.... br “This camera is Olympus b... (show quote)



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Nov 10, 2018 09:50:22   #
RickTaylor
 
MaxxtheDog wrote:
Hi Photo Brain,
I search this site and only show this topic from a few years back.
Currently shooting a D500 for sports. Indoor, outdoor, low light, all of it.
Thinking of going full frame for the night games but wondering if I should hold off for the new cameras.

Has anyone made the switch from their sport DSLR to a mirrorless one?
If so, which one and what pros and cons do you find?

I would like real examples, not theoretical from someone that has only read about them.
Thanks!
Hi Photo Brain, br I search this site and only sh... (show quote)

I read all the hype about how wonderful the Sony was so I rented one and tried it was OK but for night time sports or any sport for that matter nothing comes close to the D5 full frame from NIKON I read all the hype about how wonderful that Sony was so I rented one and tried. It was OK but for night time sports or any sport for that matter nothing comes close to the D5full frame from Nikon Which is my current sports camera

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Nov 10, 2018 09:52:43   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
rmalarz wrote:
I used a mirrorless some years ago. The issue I had with trying to capture any action was the lag between when the action occurred and when it was presented in the viewfinder.
--Bob

Operant word: "SOME YEARS AGO". No comparison with the mirrorless now. That is like saying, "I tried a Model "T" some years ago, and decided those Fords were too boxy and rickety, and didn't have much acceleration.

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Nov 10, 2018 10:01:25   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
mrjcall wrote:
Both are biased in their reviews because they accept monies from the manufacturers whose products they review......Rockwell more so than Northrup btw.....Sure they are experienced, but money makes folks less than objective....... I would not rely on any one source, but review many to determine average responses.


Don't know anything about Northrup but I'm quite sure KR does NOT take money from manufacturers. Still waiting for some evidence to the contrary....

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Nov 10, 2018 10:39:45   #
CaptainBobBrown
 
CameraPapi had the right of it and it corresponds exactly with my own experience. I bought the EM1 and best of the very few long lenses (Zuiko 300mm) available for MFTs to try for wildlife and BIF's. Not anywhere good enough for small flighty birds because the EVF is way to slow and the lens's sharpness for high detail bird images just doesn't cut it. I now use my D500 exclusively for birds and other wildlife with a Nikon 300mm f2.8 or most recently the new Nikon 500mm 5.6 pF (A really great lens and easily hand holdable with really good vibration reduction). The EM1 EVF also failed twice with "green splotch" disease twice in the first year. Gave it up after factory replace of the EVF the first time. Nice to carry around but no good for serious wildlife, especially bird, photography.

The EM1 and Zuiko wide angle lenses were o.k. for landscapes or macro but then the repeated green splotches in the EVF were a nuisance for even that. Oh, one other problem with MFT cameras and their 2.0 crop factor is that their depth of field is much deeper than for equivalent aperatures on cameras with smaller crop factors. Good for macro but when you want good bokeh as is frequently the case for birds it's a nuisance.

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Nov 10, 2018 11:09:16   #
gwilliams6
 
burkphoto wrote:
I’m a big cheerleader for mirrorless, including Micro 4/3. But in your case, I’d advise you to keep your D500. Try a D5.

Nikon’s mirrorless are not ready for action photographers. Neither are Canon’s mirrorless. Sony’s A9 MIGHT be, but rent one and see for yourself. Low light sports action is one of the few situations in which full frame dSLRs still have a significant edge.

Go to http://www.lensrentals.com and http://www.borrowlenses.com to find rental gear.


I respectfully disagree here burkphoto, I personally have used the best of top DSLRs fron Nikon and Canon to shoot sports and have also used the best of fullframe Sony mirrorless to shoot sports and wildlife. The Sony A9, and A7III far outperform the best of the FF DSLRs from Nikon and Canon in daylight AND Low light in autofocusing and tracking moving subjects. I enjoy much better capture and focus rate with my top mirrorless gear now. If you haven't use the best of both FF DSLRs and top FF mirrorless you will not know the facts here.

Tony's test of mirrorless sports shooting was completely valid and scientific. There are fanboys here that won't accept any verdict but one that favors their own favorite brand. The reality is there is NO camera on the planet that can touch the A9 for fastest reading sensor (A Sony exclusive, stacked front-illuminated sensor) which coupled with their super-fast processor allows the A9 to shoot a TRUE 20fps with full autofocus and exposure control,AND no viewfinder blackouts. No other FF camera can do this, none. The Sony can make 60 autofocus and 60 exposure calculations and changes per second, which NO other Fullframe camera on the planet can match, none. The A7III shares the same 93% frame coverage focusing system as the A9 with 693 phase detection and 435 contrast detection focus spots across the frame for edge to edge acquisition and tracking of subjects , essential for sports. None of the top FF DSLRs from Nikon and Canon can match this, none. That is one of the reason I switched from Nikon and Canon after 40 years. Cheers

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