Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

I guess the Japanese know something those in UHH might not know.

"BCN rankings have released the latest numbers for the full frame mirrorless camera market in Japan, and Sony’s near 100% market share took a big hit after the release of the Canon EOS R and the Nikon Z series cameras.

Full frame mirrorless market share breakdown (Japan):

Sony 67%
Canon 22.1%
Nikon 10.4%

This is after about 1 month nearly a quarter of all FF mirrorless. That is pretty quick. Same article shows a prediction that Canon is shooting for a 50% share by this time next year. It will be an interesting year coming up. With that kind of optimism it sounds like some real interesting stuff is on the horizon. Nikon's number isn't too bad either for the short time as well since it has been introduced.
Source, Canon Rumors today.

LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY

I read that also. Haven't paid much attention to mirrorless till lately. I have a 5DIV and 7DII so I am not in a big hurry to make a change. Still, it bears watching I think. I was waiting for a 7DIII or new 5DS to be announced but now I think I may wait and see where Canon goes with their mirrorless. Never hurts to try something new.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

You are where I am now after seeing the R system. And that goal in a year says there is something coming.

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

I personally see no reason to buy an EOS R at this time. I already have a 5D mk IV and there's really no difference between the two as far as end result is concerned. I'll wait and see what the EOS R mk II has to offer.

markjay

I have said here 10 times that DSLRs will be dead in 3-5 years.
Of course there will always be people who insist that their DSLR is great and will not change. There are also people who insist on keeping a car for 20 years.
That doesnt mean their car doesnt keep providing its service.
But for the average consumer out there - you will all change, and you will all change faster than you think. !

mrtaxi Loc: Old Westbury NY, Fort Lauderdale, FL

I bet canon will come out with a EOS RII that similar to the 5D IV within the year.

joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois

What's unusual about that. Sony had no competition in FF ML and now it has from the some of the biggest names in cameras. There is a lot to be said for brand loyalty. Sony will need to raise the bar even further.

Ollieboy

Canon and Nikon owners simply waited for their respective brands to offer a mirrorless option. It's not that one brand is better than the other, but more that they are trapped by their collection of lenses and accessories. Most people cannot afford to just switch camera systems. Cost is a reality of life.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Sony has just about shot their load already. Their lens mount severely limits them from real pro progress and Canon knew this when they developed the EF mount and have carried it through the RF mount. Nikon has finally realized it as well. Remember the Sony mount is smaller than the little Canon M mount used for their small non-pro cameras. Yes Sony had no competition. They are now going to really struggle to keep up with the Canon and Nikon form factors.

leftj Loc: Texas

I find it interesting that no Fuji cameras are sold in Japan.

Zooman 1

I have made the move to Canon EOS R, but got the adaptor so I can use my existing lenses. Still learning how to use it. It does suck up batteries quicker than either the 80D or 7D M II. Also getting use to the view finder going dark, not sure if it is something I have to learn to avoid, but it is bothersome. Still, like the results so far.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Saying something 10 times doesn't make it correct or credible. Although I believe that mirrorless cameras will be the future, the pace of technology change is usually much slower than you suggest. Significant market changes can often take three decades. At an individual level or business level two purchasing cycles is a good rule of thumb. That typically means five to ten years. The move to mirrorless is only in the early stages of that transition. The adoption of smart phones as cameras for the masses is much more advanced and has much more momentum.

In regards to Canon, the company has reinvented its lens mounts several times, the R/FL/FD/FDn series began in 1959. The EF series was introduced in 1987, nearly 30 years later, in a bold and successful move by Canon that made the company the market leader. Now in 2018, also about thirty years later, we have the RF series of lenses and cameras coming to market. History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.

Oh, and by the way, I've been doing technology market research for most of my working life, do you have any credentials to support your opinions?

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

The R/FL/FD/FDn are all the same mount with added features. Nikon did the same thing with nearly a dozen iterations of the F mount. Minolta also did the same thing with their mount. Canon only changed the mount with SLRs once until the RF came along. People make this big mistake all the time.I can mount my R, FL, FD and FDn lenses on all my non EOS SLRs from the R2000 through the T60 just fine.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Yes. I agree. You and I both know that the mount design change with EOS cameras in 1987 changed the flange distance which gave Canon a competitive technology advantage at a system level, but mostly obsoleted the older lenses. We both know there are various approaches to that problem. What I suspect is happening here is that Canon is making a similar system level shift that they did from FD to EF in 1987, we'll see what happens over time. Like you, I still have older Canon cameras - AE-1 and T90 - as well as EOS DSLRs. My main point in this thread is not that change won't happen, but that the pace of change will be a lot slower than some people think.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Yes.
The EF can be used with the RF mount when adapted and actually improve the performance of the old EF lenses.
I am excited that now I can use all my old FD/FL and R lenses on the new R mount and even the old Leica/Canon screw mount lenses can be adapted once an entrepreneur develops that mount as well.