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Nov 1, 2018 19:51:08   #
warrior Loc: Paso Robles CA
 
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Nov 1, 2018 19:54:20   #
jcboy3
 
andymac wrote:
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that digital photography is moving toward mirrorless cameras and associated lens systems. I have significant Nikon equipment for my bird and nature photography interests including a 500mm F4 and 300mm F2.8 prime lenses. I have a recently purchased D500 I love and have been saving for a D850 - which I have anticipated buying at during the end of the year sales when I hope to see a modest discount to the long stable initial price.

I have come to the realization that at some point there is likely to be an significant advantage such as size and weight of gear - and even technical innovation leadership - to move to a full mirrorless setup.
I understand that there is an adapter to allow me to continue to use my current lenses with the new Nikon mirrorless cameras...but I am not sure that I would necessarily stay with Nikon if I go mirrorless. Steve Perry's evaluation of the new Nikon mirrorless suggested that they are not yet as capable (insufficient burst mode buffering) as current DSLR offerings for action bird photography. I understand that some of the Sony are of comparable capabilities. A friend has a Sony mirrorless and set of lenses that are significantly smaller and more manageable that my gear.

I know from regularly reading the Forum that there are many very thoughtful and knowledgeable members - and maybe some that have already made this transition. So I would like to ask for your thoughts on which companies currently appear to be the true leaders in mirrorless cameras and lens systems - especially as applicable to bird photography. And more specifically, knowing that the technology will continue to evolve, your thoughts on timing - is it the right time to convert or to move forward with my D850 purchase knowing that there will likely come a clear time to make the switch?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that ... (show quote)


Stick with the D500, wait for the more advanced mirrorless releases from Nikon. If you want a smaller system for travel, Panasonic and Olympus are good options.

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Nov 1, 2018 20:06:16   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
warrior wrote:
1. Sony is NOT a camera co. Its a electronics co.


So then is Canon not a printer/copier company, but a camera company?

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Nov 1, 2018 20:08:44   #
Acountry330 Loc: Dothan,Ala USA
 
I can only speak for myself. It seems like the gear you have and are going to get will last quite a long time At least 5 to 10 years. That will give the camera makers time to really develop mirror-less. So I see no reason to jump into mirror-less right now. Happy Shooting.

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Nov 1, 2018 20:18:24   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
warrior wrote:
1. Sony is NOT a camera co. Its a electronics co.


Warrior - What is your point? You keep sqwalking this gibberish like a parrot.
Take the electronics out of a digital camera and all that's left is a metal casting.

Anyway, Sony is primarily a gaming and entertainment company. 'Imaging products' are less than 8% of their revenue. They produce the highest quality commercial broadcast and movie equipment as well as the photo sensors for the majority of cell phones. They are the only company that covers the full gamut of imaging from lowly cell phones all the way to the silver screen. Sony has the technical expertise and financial strength to blaze the trail for photography equipment while Canon and Nikon can only follow along 5 years later.

By the way, Nikon is part of the Mitsubishi Group. Mitsubishi build cars and ships.

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Nov 1, 2018 20:35:10   #
BebuLamar
 
Longshadow wrote:
So then is Canon not a printer/copier company, but a camera company?


Yeah! Canon is a camera company. Nikon is an optical company. Kyocera which owned Yashica and Contax brands is a ceramic company. Konica Minolta were both camera companies but together they make no camera. But whatever kind of company Sony is they do make cameras.

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Nov 1, 2018 20:41:59   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Yeah! Canon is a camera company. Nikon is an optical company. Kyocera which owned Yashica and Contax brands is a ceramic company. Konica Minolta were both camera companies but together they make no camera. But whatever kind of company Sony is they do make cameras.

So Sony is a camera company... That is, a company that makes cameras.
(They certainly don't make wood stoves.)

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Nov 1, 2018 21:00:20   #
zug55 Loc: Naivasha, Kenya, and Austin, Texas
 
warrior wrote:
1. Sony is NOT a camera co. Its a electronics co.

And your point is? And is there a 2. and 3.? Is this maybe because they build the best sensors? And if they build the best cameras does it matter if they are a toothpaste company?

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Nov 1, 2018 21:02:50   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
zug55 wrote:
And your point is? And is there a 2. and 3.? Is this maybe because they build the best sensors? And if they build the best cameras does it matter if they are a toothpaste company?


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Nov 2, 2018 02:20:06   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
andymac wrote:
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that digital photography is moving toward mirrorless cameras and associated lens systems. I have significant Nikon equipment for my bird and nature photography interests including a 500mm F4 and 300mm F2.8 prime lenses. I have a recently purchased D500 I love and have been saving for a D850 - which I have anticipated buying at during the end of the year sales when I hope to see a modest discount to the long stable initial price.

I have come to the realization that at some point there is likely to be an significant advantage such as size and weight of gear - and even technical innovation leadership - to move to a full mirrorless setup.
I understand that there is an adapter to allow me to continue to use my current lenses with the new Nikon mirrorless cameras...but I am not sure that I would necessarily stay with Nikon if I go mirrorless. Steve Perry's evaluation of the new Nikon mirrorless suggested that they are not yet as capable (insufficient burst mode buffering) as current DSLR offerings for action bird photography. I understand that some of the Sony are of comparable capabilities. A friend has a Sony mirrorless and set of lenses that are significantly smaller and more manageable that my gear.

I know from regularly reading the Forum that there are many very thoughtful and knowledgeable members - and maybe some that have already made this transition. So I would like to ask for your thoughts on which companies currently appear to be the true leaders in mirrorless cameras and lens systems - especially as applicable to bird photography. And more specifically, knowing that the technology will continue to evolve, your thoughts on timing - is it the right time to convert or to move forward with my D850 purchase knowing that there will likely come a clear time to make the switch?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that ... (show quote)



I have been shooting with a mirrorless M43 camera since about 2005. M43 is my go-to travel and adventure kit. I recently purchased a new OM-D body and I love it. It has fast become my carry around every day camera.

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Nov 2, 2018 05:56:19   #
Kiriakos
 
warrior wrote:
1. Sony is NOT a camera co. Its a electronics co.


Minolta bought by Sony years ago, is the camera company behind Sony. And it is a fantastic camera manufacturer. Throw into this the Zeiss fantastic lenses company and you have a winning combination of photografic equipment and a camera company.

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Nov 2, 2018 06:04:08   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
andymac wrote:
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that digital photography is moving toward mirrorless cameras and associated lens systems. I have significant Nikon equipment for my bird and nature photography interests including a 500mm F4 and 300mm F2.8 prime lenses. I have a recently purchased D500 I love and have been saving for a D850 - which I have anticipated buying at during the end of the year sales when I hope to see a modest discount to the long stable initial price.

I have come to the realization that at some point there is likely to be an significant advantage such as size and weight of gear - and even technical innovation leadership - to move to a full mirrorless setup.
I understand that there is an adapter to allow me to continue to use my current lenses with the new Nikon mirrorless cameras...but I am not sure that I would necessarily stay with Nikon if I go mirrorless. Steve Perry's evaluation of the new Nikon mirrorless suggested that they are not yet as capable (insufficient burst mode buffering) as current DSLR offerings for action bird photography. I understand that some of the Sony are of comparable capabilities. A friend has a Sony mirrorless and set of lenses that are significantly smaller and more manageable that my gear.

I know from regularly reading the Forum that there are many very thoughtful and knowledgeable members - and maybe some that have already made this transition. So I would like to ask for your thoughts on which companies currently appear to be the true leaders in mirrorless cameras and lens systems - especially as applicable to bird photography. And more specifically, knowing that the technology will continue to evolve, your thoughts on timing - is it the right time to convert or to move forward with my D850 purchase knowing that there will likely come a clear time to make the switch?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that ... (show quote)


Unless you are going Olympus/Fuji/Sony there is no compelling reason to go mirrorless with your Nikon equipment unless you just want to. The Z7 and Z6 are a first foray into real mirrorless for Nikon and most likely will be followed by more D850 type mirrorless in the future.
I would/am waiting for this reason. The Canon and Nikon mount diameters will allow for some pretty incredible lenses that Sony will never be able to produce because of their small diameter mount they chose to keep things fashionably small. Canon is getting ready to put out another lens, the 14-21mm f1.4L, https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-RF-24-105mm-f-4L-IS-USM-Lens.aspx. This is possible with the larger diameter mount. Nikon with a similar diameter will likely do the same as time goes on.
If you have the latest Nikon lenses then they should work reasonably well with the Nikon mirrorless system.
But you need to make the call.

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Nov 2, 2018 06:06:08   #
Grnway Loc: Manchester, NH
 
andymac wrote:
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that digital photography is moving toward mirrorless cameras and associated lens systems. I have significant Nikon equipment for my bird and nature photography interests including a 500mm F4 and 300mm F2.8 prime lenses. I have a recently purchased D500 I love and have been saving for a D850 - which I have anticipated buying at during the end of the year sales when I hope to see a modest discount to the long stable initial price.

I have come to the realization that at some point there is likely to be an significant advantage such as size and weight of gear - and even technical innovation leadership - to move to a full mirrorless setup.
I understand that there is an adapter to allow me to continue to use my current lenses with the new Nikon mirrorless cameras...but I am not sure that I would necessarily stay with Nikon if I go mirrorless. Steve Perry's evaluation of the new Nikon mirrorless suggested that they are not yet as capable (insufficient burst mode buffering) as current DSLR offerings for action bird photography. I understand that some of the Sony are of comparable capabilities. A friend has a Sony mirrorless and set of lenses that are significantly smaller and more manageable that my gear.

I know from regularly reading the Forum that there are many very thoughtful and knowledgeable members - and maybe some that have already made this transition. So I would like to ask for your thoughts on which companies currently appear to be the true leaders in mirrorless cameras and lens systems - especially as applicable to bird photography. And more specifically, knowing that the technology will continue to evolve, your thoughts on timing - is it the right time to convert or to move forward with my D850 purchase knowing that there will likely come a clear time to make the switch?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Over the last year I have seen growing signs that ... (show quote)


Hi Andy,

I made the switch from Canon 5D3 a year and a half ago after I bought my Fuji Xt-2. I LOVED the Canon and lenses I had with it. It set the benchmark for image quality, speed of focus, etc. for me. However, I travel a lot and hike a lot, so having a more compact kit is what prompted the change, but I didn't want to sacrifice IQ. I read all about the Xt-2 and took the plunge. The image quality is every bit as good as my FF Canon was. Focus speed not quite as fast, but very close. I just purchased the Xt-3. Focus speed is improved and every bit as fast as the Canon, which I thing may be important for birders? I also own their 100-400mm zoom and, with the battery grip, that makes a well-balanced setup with very long reach.
Fuji also has an outstanding stable of very high quality glass, so that helps. It also helps that I can buy 2 Xt-3 bodies for about the same price as 1 Canon 5D4 body. Also, Fuji is always updating firmware and is very friendly to the consumer.

If I were you, I'd be hard-pressed to ditch the Nikons. That is also a benchmark setting company. You've got some impressive glass that goes with that system, and getting an 850 would put you in the top level of IQ.

I would suggest renting some of the best mirrorless systems and see what feels good in your hands and has the features that would work best for you.

Good luck!

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Nov 2, 2018 06:15:34   #
dave.m
 
warrior wrote:
1. Sony is NOT a camera co. Its a electronics co.


so are Panasonic but their M4/3 cameras are brilliant!

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Nov 2, 2018 06:22:10   #
Dalek Loc: Detroit, Miami, Goffstown
 
I'll wait for the next iteration of the Nikon Zs.

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