Animal species in fastest decline worldwide
Oct 31, 2018 08:46:18 #
rpavich wrote:
I'm old enough to remember the "Ice Age!" scares of the 70's.
I'm sure all of you are also.
Today's science "fact" is sometimes tomorrows science fail.
I'm sure all of you are also.
Today's science "fact" is sometimes tomorrows science fail.
Disagree my friend. Facts remain facts. Predictions, based on facts or otherwise, can often fail.
Oct 31, 2018 09:12:20 #
DIRTY HARRY
Loc: Hartland, Michigan
Tell that to the Pola Bears... just keep your head in the sand and pray for your children.
nimbushopper wrote:
Climate change is not a hoax because its been happening for millions of years. The debate is whether it is being caused by human activity or not.
Oct 31, 2018 09:25:12 #
Largobob wrote:
Disagree my friend. Facts remain facts. Predictions, based on facts or otherwise, can often fail.
I agree with that...facts remain facts.
The problem comes when the latest "idea" is touted as "fact" like "Global Warming" that morphed into "Man-Made-Climate-Change" which isn't anything like a fact.
I'm cool with someone saying "well...the climate does what it does" which is a fact...or "for the last 150 years we've been recording the temperature, it's climbed 1/2 of a degree overall" which (if it were true) would also be a fact.
It's the speculation about WHY and HOW it's happening that aren't "facts" that I'm talking about. Science deals with more than facts, it deals with conclusions based on facts and conclusions can certainly be in error.
Oct 31, 2018 09:47:49 #
Largobob wrote:
Agreed. Only a fool would say that our Climate i... (show quote)
We are goig to see rapiddecline /changes in the Pacific due to continued dumping of radioactive water from Fukashima also but they will blame it on climate change
Oct 31, 2018 10:26:15 #
DIRTY HARRY
Loc: Hartland, Michigan
So can politicians who base their conclusions on business and financial issue, lobbyists, and NO scientific understanding of what might be going on..
I don't understand the resistance to taking care of our planet. when you go out to your favorite spot to do some serious photography wold you prefer to find a nice pristine environment with clear water, beutiful birds and animals, clean grounds... or do you like trash blowing around , sick and dead animals, polluted water with trash floating around in it?
All that's being said here is clean up our environment.. just what is wrong with that?
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I don't understand the resistance to taking care of our planet. when you go out to your favorite spot to do some serious photography wold you prefer to find a nice pristine environment with clear water, beutiful birds and animals, clean grounds... or do you like trash blowing around , sick and dead animals, polluted water with trash floating around in it?
All that's being said here is clean up our environment.. just what is wrong with that?
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rpavich wrote:
I agree with that...facts remain facts. br br Th... (show quote)
Oct 31, 2018 10:28:25 #
Kmgw9v wrote:
Science has already done what it dies best---the naysayers are simply in permanent denial.
Oct 31, 2018 10:31:13 #
DIRTY HARRY wrote:
So can politicians who base their conclusions on b... (show quote)
Nothing at all. I'm a big proponent of not leaving trash behind and taking care of our planet.
If that's all that was said, that would be great...but that's not all that's being said is it?
Oct 31, 2018 10:37:26 #
Kmgw9v wrote:
Science has already done what it dies best---the naysayers are simply in permanent denial.
"Science" is a discipline, "IT" can't "DO" anything; PEOPLE come to conclusions; either correct or incorrect.
Just stating that anyone who disagrees with a certain opinion on the subject is in permanent denial is ridiculous; many scientists are in disagreement with the idea. (not just a few 10's of thousands have.)
Here are 5 reasons why it's bunk.
https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/02/18/5-scientific-reasons-that-global-warming-isnt-happening-n1796423
Science has already done what it dies best---the naysayers are simply in permanent denial.
phlash46 wrote:
"Science" is a discipline, "IT" can't "DO" anything; PEOPLE come to conclusions; either correct or incorrect.
Just stating that anyone who disagrees with a certain opinion on the subject is in permanent denial is ridiculous; many scientists are in disagreement with the idea. (not just a few 10's of thousands have.)
Here are 5 reasons why it's bunk.
https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/02/18/5-scientific-reasons-that-global-warming-isnt-happening-n1796423
Oct 31, 2018 10:46:03 #
DIRTY HARRY
Loc: Hartland, Michigan
I'm assuming that if you had real bad chest pains and shortness of breath or started bleeding from your mouth or rear end .. you'd do nothing because people have done that before and you don't want to believe the "scientist's" (Doctor's) conclusion you might be progressing towards a TERMINAL event ... and , god forbid, the cost. What if it was your wife, child, or grandchild? Call your favorite politician or and he'll tell you everything's going great ... for him.
Oct 31, 2018 10:46:41 #
DIRTY HARRY wrote:
I'm assuming that if you had real bad chest pains and shortness of breath or started bleeding from your mouth or rear end .. you'd do nothing because people have done that before and you don't want to believe the "scientist's" (Doctor's) conclusion you might be progressing towards a TERMINAL event ... and , god forbid, the cost. What if it was your wife, child, or grandchild? Call your favorite politician or and he'll tell you everything's going great ... for him.
Insults...the last refuge of those without an argument.
Oct 31, 2018 10:50:56 #
DIRTY HARRY
Loc: Hartland, Michigan
What insult? I just asked you a reasonable question... Would you allow the event to continue or would you believe the "Scientist" (Doctor) and allow him to save your life... a simple yess or no is all I'm asking for. No insult interned; however if you say you won't believe the "scientist" Doctor .........
rpavich wrote:
Insults...the last refuge of those without an argument.
Oct 31, 2018 10:53:10 #
rpavich wrote:
Kmgw9v wrote: br Science has already done what it ... (show quote)
Garbage or manipulated data into the computer models equals garbage or manipulated data out...Oct 31, 2018 10:57:41 #
DIRTY HARRY
Loc: Hartland, Michigan
Would you believe your Doctor? Who has the most to gain fromno telling the truth here? The Scientist (who owns no businesses , coal mines, oil well, etc) and oly pull down a salary if you believe them or not,,, Or the politicians and big business who do have all kinds of investments in just what might be destroying our planet... Use your head, think for yourself.. who has the vested interest?
Oct 31, 2018 11:01:12 #
DIRTY HARRY
Loc: Hartland, Michigan
They can be quite accurate as well ... Remember the "Scientist" who told the Politically based manager NOT TO LAUNCH The Challenger?
Largobob wrote:
Disagree my friend. Facts remain facts. Predictions, based on facts or otherwise, can often fail.
Oct 31, 2018 11:05:00 #
DIRTY HARRY
Loc: Hartland, Michigan
How do you enplane Astronomers? Pure Science..
Largobob wrote:
Totally agree. And, YES, it is sad. There was a time when the processes of science were purely defined and practiced. In today's world, $$$ can and does tend to throw some bias into the equation. Think $$$ that force development of pharmaceuticals, research grants to support/sway opinion, government/political support of researchers, etc. Doing 'good science' for the sake of science, is not nearly as attractive as doing science for $$$.
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