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Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Steve Perry wrote:

Remember a few years back when tablets were going to be the end of all PCs and by now no one would be using a regular computer anymore? This is a lot like that. People are always quick to jump onto the demise of "old" tech, but often things stick around much longer than the pundits predict.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Acountry330 wrote:

I think the DSLR has a long future . Mirror-less is just a baby. We still drive cars that use gasoline even though they make Electric Cars. Happy shooting.

And how many of us still drive stick shift vehicles? We own three....

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rangel28 wrote:

There are many non professionals, like myself, who... (show quote)

No real need to pay those prices to enjoy "mirrorless" cameras. This rookie (me) on a fixed income owns 3 MILC's and a couple of high-end pocket cameras ~ and, has never paid over $500 for one.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

markwilliam1 wrote:

With all the major players going mirrorless is this the slow end for DSLRs?

It all depends on sales. D-SLR sales have been in freewill for several years. If D-SLR sales are such that the manufactures can continue make a profit on D-SLRs then they will continue to make them.

Development is the thing to watch. Because they must fund a development team, introduction of new D-SLRs requires a higher sales revenue than just making a profit. Developing a new D-SLR also takes resources away from developing more profitable (a.k.a. mirrorless) products.

Nikon has not announced that yet, in fact they said they would continue to develop high end D-SLR products. Other manuf's have continued to develop and sell D-SLRs. When companies stop development of their D-SLR products, it will be the beginning of the end.

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BebuLamar wrote:

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10 years at least for all manufacturers to
stop making DSLR completely. But I think
I will continue using a DSLR until I die.

Make sure your life insurance policy
is adequate and up to date !

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SharpShooter wrote:

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What professionals??
How many pros do you know have gone ML?
There is one guy here that wherever he shoots,
everybody is using ML but that is NOT my
experience!!!
I do see the guys shooting video using
steady-cams using ML 4/3!
SS

"What you see" [in use] is rather meaningless.

Most professional activity goes on out of sight
of the Great Unwashed. All they see is weddings
and the NFL sidelines. That is not representative
of the larger reality and thus the actual sales.

Also, consider that the GU are major consumers
of APSC but the new live view introductions are
both FF. Now ask yourself why.

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markwilliam1

Interesting comments all! I just personally feel the old DSLR technology a mirror flapping in its prism box is becoming dated now with the new mirrorless systems coming out. Too many advantages over the DSLR and it will continue to improve. I think the death of the DSLR will take many years but it will come. Kinda like switching from film to digital?

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

markwilliam1 wrote:

Interesting comments all! I just personally feel the old DSLR technology a mirror flapping in its prism box is becoming dated now with the new mirrorless systems coming out. Too many advantages over the DSLR and it will continue to improve. I think the death of the DSLR will take many years but it will come. Kinda like switching from film to digital?

The change from mirrored to mirrorless will be faster and more complete. It took 15+ years for digital sensors to surpass the resolution of general-purpose 35mm film and for those sensors to ride down the technology curve into entry-level bodies. Differences in mirrorless bodies are primarily about everything around the sensor.

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markwilliam1 wrote:

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I think the death of the DSLR will take many
years but it will come. Kinda like switching
from film to digital?

The transition from film to digital took about
no time at all, if measured from the arrival
of truly capable digital cameras. If you insist
on measuring from the crude beginnings of
digital then acoarst that stretches it to years.

Same with live view cameras. Been around
for years now, but the really capable models
arrived rather recently, and now Canon and
Nikon are compressing the time frame. The
new Nikon and Canon are not the beginning.
They are the dead canary.

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JD750 Loc: SoCal

CHG_CANON wrote:

The change from mirrored to mirrorless will be faster and more complete. It took 12+ years for digital sensors to surpass the resolution of general-purpose 35mm film and for those sensors to ride down the technology curve into entry-level bodies. Differences in mirrorless bodies are primarily about everything around the sensor.

Mirrorless cameras and D-SLRs use the same sensors. Evolving mirrorless tech is about improving focus speed and precision, and improving the EVF system.

markwilliam1

I understand that the sensors are the same. My question boils down to mechanical vs electronic I guess.

SharpShooter Loc: NorCal

Steve Perry wrote:

Remember a few years back when tablets were going to be the end of all PCs and by now no one would be using a regular computer anymore? This is a lot like that. People are always quick to jump onto the demise of "old" tech, but often things stick around much longer than the pundits predict.

Steve, I agree with you but we all also remember when BlackBerry was KING and people said that phones with no keys on them were just a kids toy!
Boy did iPhone prove the world wrong!!! LoL
But ML is NOT new. Every digital P&S for almost 20 years is ML as is every phone and ML is not very popular yet except among a few!
iPhones were revolutionary, ML cameras are not!
SS

JD750 Loc: SoCal

markwilliam1 wrote:

I understand that the sensors are the same. My question boils down to mechanical vs electronic I guess.

Ah yes that is a big deal. All that mechanical stuff is expensive, and adds un-reliablity to the system, and phase detection focus systems on D-SLRs require calibration (at the factory) thus D-SLRs are more expensive to produce (this may change as PD systems on the sensor continue to evolve).

Another factor I have noticed, is my mirrorless cameras need much much much less sensor cleaning*. There is no mirror flipping around stirring up dust and flinging oil everywhere. For example my M43 Panasonic DMC-G1, when retired after about 10 years, had never needed cleaning. My reference shots were always spot free up to when I retired it. My D-SLRs start showing crap on the reference shots, that requires sensor cleaning, every 6m to a year.

*If you are the type who likes to change lenses outside in a sandstorm at Burning Man, then mirrorless or D-SLR, won't matter.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

markwilliam1 wrote:

With all the major players going mirrorless is this the slow end for DSLRs?

Eventually most likely, but you're a bit late to the game. This subject has been covered in excruciating detail in more than a hundred other threads in recent months.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

mwsilvers wrote:

Eventually most likely, but you're a bit late to the game. This subject has been covered in excruciating detail in more than a hundred other threads in recent months.

And it will continue to be covered in future threads. Like Mac vs PC, Nikon vs Canon, Liberal vs Conservative, personal preferences play a big role in one's position on the issue.