cascoly Loc: seattle

you're flunking logic 101

you cant use the bible to PROVE what the bible says -- you need some external evidence - you got any??

it AINT necessarily so - whatever you're liable to read in the bible -- it AINT necessarily so -

Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA

There was a time when I was talking with a very well educated man who was one of the more active members of the Church I was attending at the time - I told him that there was sections of the Bible that I just could not believe - his reply was - well don't- that it simple as that he too had passed with high grades from "Logic 101" .

It seems I remeber a song of that title from the distant past "It aint necessarily so' and another one "It's in the Book"
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cascoly Loc: seattle

yes - from porgy & bess

Methus'lah lived nine hundred years
Methus'lah lived nine hundred years
But who calls dat livin'
When no gal will give in
To no man what's nine hundred years?

silverhawk Loc: Born a West Virginian, Living in Virginia

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In these talks, each letter, it begins with a visit to the actual church ruin...maybe this will help you with the external evidence..


Letters of Jesus to His Churches
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfk5IZQHKovLEf4OMpzocU-24QTuLOVX2

Sample:

Letters of Jesus Part 2 - Ephesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUdpI8raHng&t=189s&index=3&list=PLfk5IZQHKovLEf4OMpzocU-24QTuLOVX2

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silverhawk Loc: Born a West Virginian, Living in Virginia

Here's one...….may be much better...…..photos are great...…

Noah's Ark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6G2_2gSY3o

NoahArkSearch.com
http://www.noahsarksearch.com/iran.htm


Noah's Ark (Their writeup )
The Ark of Noah In Iran?
http://www.baseinstitute.org/pages/noahs_ark/17

DickC Loc: NE Washington state

Where was it built? In the desert? How did the polar bears get to the desert? Did the Kangaroo hop all the way from Australia? The sloth? Caribou?

Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA

These are interesting lectures "except" this region of Turkey is 600+ miles by sea and 800+ miles by land from the region Jesus traveled and taught/preached in-which brings into question just how he could have possibly known of them. This fellow talks quite convincingly that John was the "letter writer" aka "story teller" as much has been in question about what John actually wrote.

Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA

The more logical questions ask of the Biblicaly minded - the more radical and illogical the answers become.

cascoly Loc: seattle

Huh? Jesus never wrote 'letters' - it's not even clear he was literate; I've been to Ephesus & tarsus (where PAUL preached & may have authored the letters) and have seen the churches - which date to hundreds of years AFTER - it's not clear there were any physical churches in Paul's time - but it's irrelevant - you were using old testament quotes to prove themselves

cascoly Loc: seattle

Ararat has a long history of hoaxes - dating back 1800 years - and there was a monastery there in medieval times, which is the likely source of any wood found there

http://ed5015.tripod.com/ReligCreationismArkSightings55.htm

====In 1993, CBS aired a television special entitled The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark, which contained a section devoted to the claims of George Jammal, who showed what he called "sacred wood from the ark." Jammal's story of a dramatic mountain expedition which took the life of "his Polish friend Vladimir" was actually a deliberate hoax, and Jammal – who was really an actor – later revealed that his "sacred wood" was wood taken from railroad tracks in Long Beach, California and hardened by cooking with various sauces in an oven.[39]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searches_for_Noah%27s_Ark

The Great Noah's Ark Hoax
https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2010/04/great-noah-ark-hoax.html#rVYqvSDZhMHPdvAL.97

we drove past ararat on a trip to Turkey some years ago & we did some back of the envelope calcs:

assuming an ark at 13,000' (being generous as ararat goes to about 16K)

13,000ft x 12in/ft gives us 156,000" of rain that had to fall over the entire earth [OTEE] (ignoring the much higher Alaskan, Himalayan and Andean moutain ranges)

That means 3900" of rain OTEE for each of 40 days
or
162.5" rain OTEE every Hour!

that's 10 times monsoon levels of rain only a few places on earth receive more than 300" per YEAR

for extra credit:
1. where did all the water come from?
2. where did it go?

Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA

Great info - "But the Book says ------- and the fairy tale goes on as being the "Truth" - ya just gotta be stupid enough to believe it.