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Nov 12, 2018 22:26:41   #
Angmo
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Go Google Russian Propaganda 2016 E******ns for your proof.

The Russians spent $1,250,000.00 per month for over a year leading up to the 2016 E******ns spreading propaganda.

The Russians funneled tons of money through the NRA, which has dried up since they were exposed.


Dems spent even more on propaganda and lies than the Russians did. All on l*****t websites and apps.

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Nov 13, 2018 00:04:57   #
Frosty Loc: Minnesota
 
letmedance wrote:
Are you sure those pictures were not taken in Chicago?


Good question. They could be pictures from Chicago or could have been taken in any of half a dozen other cities.

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Nov 13, 2018 03:41:15   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
And how would you have those asylum seekers from Honduras deal with all of the drug wars between the drug Cartels in Mexico?


What about the law that says if they are seeking asylum, they must go to the closest country offering asylum? Do you Liberals care nothing about the rule of law? Must America take in everybody who seems to have a problem in their country? Hell, what about Americanscdealing with gangs like MS13 In NY, gang bangers in East Los Angeles? Everybody has problems. They need to deal with them.

Dennis

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Nov 13, 2018 05:54:57   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
dennis2146 wrote:
What about the law that says if they are seeking asylum, they must go to the closest country offering asylum? Do you Liberals care nothing about the rule of law? Must America take in everybody who seems to have a problem in their country? Hell, what about Americanscdealing with gangs like MS13 In NY, gang bangers in East Los Angeles? Everybody has problems. They need to deal with them.

Dennis

You know what, IF you truly believe the views that you keep pushing, then go after your representatives in Washington and your own state to get off their collective butts and do something about it.

Until you start dealing with the reality of the situation that trump and his administration have only made the situation worse by not working with Central and South American countries to stem the violence and repression in those countries that the asylum seekers are fleeing, and seek ways for those countries to improve their economies, the "caravans" will continue on what they believe is a forced March towards freedom and salvation.

Developing a Foreign Policy is more than "America First!"

In case you missed it, there's another large Ebola outbreak in the Republic of the Congo. Because of the violence in that country, they're having a huge problem trying to treat those who've been infected, and trying to stop the spread of the disease.

It might be a lucky break that the Republic of the Congo is in the middle of a civil war. Fewer outsiders will be likely to travel there, reducing the opportunities to spread the Ebola outbreak beyond their borders.

The world does not revolve around a trump axis, he is not the center of all news, but he is the source of lots of "f**e news", and he's trying his darned best to suppress the media if they refuse to report on his "version of the news", or his alternative facts.

But trump sure tries real hard to embarrass himself on the world stage. His trip to France over the weekend was a total waste of taxpayer money for nothing more than a photo op that backfired big time.

By the way MS13 is not only in NY, they have a presence across the country, but trump ignores all gang violence. Stop and Frisk (one if trump's favorite go to topics on the campaign trail) which was found Unconstitutional, will not work to control or reduce gang violence, it only increases it. NYC tried it, and violence in the city increased during the time that Stop and Frisk was in use.

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Nov 13, 2018 09:13:50   #
Frosty Loc: Minnesota
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
You know what, IF you truly believe the views that you keep pushing, then go after your representatives in Washington and your own state to get off their collective butts and do something about it.

Until you start dealing with the reality of the situation that trump and his administration have only made the situation worse by not working with Central and South American countries to stem the violence and repression in those countries that the asylum seekers are fleeing, and seek ways for those countries to improve their economies, the "caravans" will continue on what they believe is a forced March towards freedom and salvation.

Developing a Foreign Policy is more than "America First!"

In case you missed it, there's another large Ebola outbreak in the Republic of the Congo. Because of the violence in that country, they're having a huge problem trying to treat those who've been infected, and trying to stop the spread of the disease.

It might be a lucky break that the Republic of the Congo is in the middle of a civil war. Fewer outsiders will be likely to travel there, reducing the opportunities to spread the Ebola outbreak beyond their borders.

The world does not revolve around a trump axis, he is not the center of all news, but he is the source of lots of "f**e news", and he's trying his darned best to suppress the media if they refuse to report on his "version of the news", or his alternative facts.

But trump sure tries real hard to embarrass himself on the world stage. His trip to France over the weekend was a total waste of taxpayer money for nothing more than a photo op that backfired big time.

By the way MS13 is not only in NY, they have a presence across the country, but trump ignores all gang violence. Stop and Frisk (one if trump's favorite go to topics on the campaign trail) which was found Unconstitutional, will not work to control or reduce gang violence, it only increases it. NYC tried it, and violence in the city increased during the time that Stop and Frisk was in use.
You know what, IF you truly believe the views that... (show quote)


Excellent post!!

I would like to add that Dennis is completely wrong about pollution being stopped in the 70's. That's like saying crime ended when they destroyed most of the mafia and jailed John Gotti.

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Nov 13, 2018 10:07:06   #
Frosty Loc: Minnesota
 
Angmo wrote:
Dems spent even more on propaganda and lies than the Russians did. All on l*****t websites and apps.


You can prove that of course.......right????.....or is it a lie you made up??

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Nov 13, 2018 10:45:27   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G87UXIH8Lzo

The lib f*****t socialist dems learned nothing and continue blissfully in ignorance. Look at the smug arrogance of them dems......only to have to eat crow.


Well that explains the 2018 mid terms, doesn't it?

The only people eating crow are the Trumpie gloaters from 2016...and this was only the appetizer. The main course will arrive in two years.

Bon Appetite!

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Nov 13, 2018 10:51:21   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
dennis2146 wrote:
What about the law that says if they are seeking asylum, they must go to the closest country offering asylum? Do you Liberals care nothing about the rule of law? Must America take in everybody who seems to have a problem in their country? Hell, what about Americanscdealing with gangs like MS13 In NY, gang bangers in East Los Angeles? Everybody has problems. They need to deal with them.

Dennis


What law is that? Got a link?

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Nov 13, 2018 10:52:40   #
Rose42
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Go Google Russian Propaganda 2016 E******ns for your proof.

The Russians spent $1,250,000.00 per month for over a year leading up to the 2016 E******ns spreading propaganda.

The Russians funneled tons of money through the NRA, which has dried up since they were exposed.


The NRA too?

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Nov 13, 2018 11:14:14   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
And how would you have those asylum seekers from Honduras deal with all of the drug wars between the drug Cartels in Mexico?


The same way the Mexicans are handling the problem. How is America dealing with the deaths of over 65,000 drug related deaths, MS13 and other gang related crimes all over the country? How is Chicago dealing with hundreds of murders every year due to black gang related problems? Where do you suggest the people of Chicago and other crime infested Democratically run cities go for their asylum. People deal with their problems, not run away from them. Those people should be marching on their own government just as Americans do all the time to complain of problems in the country. Who knows how many gang bangers are in these caravans of i*****l a***ns?

Why should America take on thousands more i*****l a***ns because they have problems in their own country. We are not the world's policemen anymore nor are we the guardians of the world with respect to problems in the cities of other countries. These people can get some balls and take on the gangs and/or government in their own country. That is what we do in America.

Dennis

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Nov 13, 2018 11:15:11   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
Go Google Russian Propaganda 2016 E******ns for your proof.

The Russians spent $1,250,000.00 per month for over a year leading up to the 2016 E******ns spreading propaganda.

The Russians funneled tons of money through the NRA, which has dried up since they were exposed.


But show that all of that money resulted in somebody being elected over someone else. Did the Russians affect your v**e at all. Mine neither.

Dennis

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Nov 13, 2018 11:32:14   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
dennis2146 wrote:
The same way the Mexicans are handling the problem. How is America dealing with the deaths of over 65,000 drug related deaths, MS13 and other gang related crimes all over the country? How is Chicago dealing with hundreds of murders every year due to black gang related problems? Where do you suggest the people of Chicago and other crime infested Democratically run cities go for their asylum. People deal with their problems, not run away from them. Those people should be marching on their own government just as Americans do all the time to complain of problems in the country. Who knows how many gang bangers are in these caravans of i*****l a***ns?

Why should America take on thousands more i*****l a***ns because they have problems in their own country. We are not the world's policemen anymore nor are we the guardians of the world with respect to problems in the cities of other countries. These people can get some balls and take on the gangs and/or government in their own country. That is what we do in America.

Dennis
The same way the Mexicans are handling the problem... (show quote)


This is exquisite incoherence. Where to start?

I will just focus on a couple of points. The drug wars in Central America re fueled by demand in the good ole USA. You love to castigate the large urban areas for drug crime, etc., but what parts of the country have the biggest opioid crisis in America?

Red states. Look it up.

You say "These people can get some balls and take on the gangs and/or government in their own country. That is what we do in America." Except, in your advanced logic, Chicago, NYC etc.

News flash: These places are America too.

You ask: "Why should America take on thousands more i*****l a***ns because they have problems in their own country."
Here is your answer: Because that is our law, whether you like it or not. We have rules and procedures for dealing with asylum seekers. And yet you presume to lecture us on Rule of Law.

Rule of Law means respecting the law whether or not you agree with the law.

Take a lesson in critical thinking Dennis.

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Nov 13, 2018 11:36:09   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
You know what, IF you truly believe the views that you keep pushing, then go after your representatives in Washington and your own state to get off their collective butts and do something about it.

Until you start dealing with the reality of the situation that trump and his administration have only made the situation worse by not working with Central and South American countries to stem the violence and repression in those countries that the asylum seekers are fleeing, and seek ways for those countries to improve their economies, the "caravans" will continue on what they believe is a forced March towards freedom and salvation.

Developing a Foreign Policy is more than "America First!"

In case you missed it, there's another large Ebola outbreak in the Republic of the Congo. Because of the violence in that country, they're having a huge problem trying to treat those who've been infected, and trying to stop the spread of the disease.

It might be a lucky break that the Republic of the Congo is in the middle of a civil war. Fewer outsiders will be likely to travel there, reducing the opportunities to spread the Ebola outbreak beyond their borders.

The world does not revolve around a trump axis, he is not the center of all news, but he is the source of lots of "f**e news", and he's trying his darned best to suppress the media if they refuse to report on his "version of the news", or his alternative facts.

But trump sure tries real hard to embarrass himself on the world stage. His trip to France over the weekend was a total waste of taxpayer money for nothing more than a photo op that backfired big time.

By the way MS13 is not only in NY, they have a presence across the country, but trump ignores all gang violence. Stop and Frisk (one if trump's favorite go to topics on the campaign trail) which was found Unconstitutional, will not work to control or reduce gang violence, it only increases it. NYC tried it, and violence in the city increased during the time that Stop and Frisk was in use.
You know what, IF you truly believe the views that... (show quote)


First off, as someone formerly in law enforcement I know that MS13 is all over America. That is on of the reasons that the i*****l a***ns coming here to get away from gangs is pretty stupid. We have our own gang and drug problems all over America. How strange that President Obama, in the midst of 65,000 people dying from drug overdose, released over 1000 drug dealers. And of course you on the Left still approve of what he did. Talk about your basic dumb son of a b***h, releasing drug dealers in the middle of a drug crisis.

It isn't my government leaders that need talking to, but the government leaders of the i******s who are coming to America. Now that Trump is the President I am pretty happy with the way America is heading. Too bad you are stuck with the old corrupt Democratic Party.

You are basically, how shall I say this nicely, OH, I have it now, FULL OF S**T if you want us to believe that Stop and Frisk did not work in NYC. Yes it was ruled unconstitutional but crime did go down. That is the t***h. It put gang bangers on notice that they will be stopped and frisked if police see them on the street. Numerous people and firearms were taken off the street. Trump ignores all gang violence??? I have heard him gang violence and especially MS13 numerous times.

America has given millions of dollars to the countries in Central America. You know as well as I do that if Trump did anything more you would all be in an uproar over him taking on the problems of other countries as well as America. I would be pissed too. America does not have time or money to rule other countries problems which is what you just alluded to. What do you think Trump could to with those other countries to make them better? Give a few examples. Maybe give each citizen of those countries a million dollars each, set each citizen up in his/her own business with a billion dollars operating capital maybe? They are sovereign countries on their own and can fix themselves.

For me Trump's visit to France was a success. The fact that Macron was an asshole to our President does not demean Trump. The fact that you on the Left will choose any little nit pick area to put some blame on Trump was noted. He didn't attend a ceremony because weather would not permit the helicopter to fly and because a road trip for that distance without prior security was not a good idea. Yet to hear you on the Left talk, he simply refused to go. Trump is a Nationalist. Guess what. Me too along with millions of others of us. Nationalism is defined as, patriotic feeling, principles or efforts. Merriam Webster defines it as loyalty and devotion to a nation. Shouldn't we all feel this way about America? Shouldn't every citizen of every country on the planet feel that way about their country? That is how President Trump feels and so do millions of others. That does not mean anything derogatory toward any other nation whatsoever. Should we in America put other nations first? Should we give up everything to make other nations better? We can do some of that but if we do not hold our own nation first then we will be unable to give aid to anyone else. Please show me another nation that tries to make America better such as we have helped other nations.

Dennis

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Nov 13, 2018 11:46:38   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Bazbo wrote:
What law is that? Got a link?



How distressing that the Europeans, who have made such a muddle over their own illegal mass migration responses, have gotten this issue right while the leaders in our homeland security organizations still don't seem to get it.

The problem is that here in the United States this international principle of demanding that migrants claim asylum or refuge at the first safe country they reach is mostly honored in the breach. Everyone pays lip service to it, but no one, least of all our pusillanimous political or government leaders, really expects America to demand that the international convention be scrupulously adhered to, either by those who are allegedly seeking shelter from harm, or by the countries those migrants use as doormats en route to America as the nation of economic choice.

Of course, perhaps anticipating that this line of questioning might occur, one human rights organization immediately took to the media to suggest that expecting Central Americans or anyone else to seek asylum in Mexico was unreasonable, given its current drug and crime problems.

It's true that Mexico has significant issues, but one wonders: Has this rights organization looked at the murder statistics in American big cities lately, especially the shocking carnage in Chicago (which is our third largest city)? Or how about the deeply disturbing opioid/heroin abuse epidemic our nation is experiencing, with all of the associated crimes that attend to a large population of junkies in our midst — homicide, assault, armed robbery, burglary, theft, prostitution, you name it?

If one were to consider those two facts about the United States in isolation, then the argument can very well be made that the United States itself is a deeply unsafe place for migrants to seek asylum. But that's a narrow view, isn't it? And so it is with Mexico as well. The argument that Mexico is too unsafe for foreigners to reside in should be discarded out of hand as self-serving, and tailored to influence American public opinion toward an "open borders" mentality through selective manipulation of facts. In fact, as the Center's Kausha Luna has documented, Mexico receives and processes thousands of asylum applications every year, mostly from Central American i*****l a***ns.

Really, the questions we're left with are twofold:

First, when, exactly, do we begin to hold Mexico's feet to the fire on its own international treaty obligations where human rights, refuge, and asylum are concerned, rather than always presuming it's our burden to carry?

This is what I found. There is more if you choose to look it up.

Dennis

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Nov 13, 2018 11:56:06   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Bazbo wrote:
This is exquisite incoherence. Where to start?

I will just focus on a couple of points. The drug wars in Central America re fueled by demand in the good ole USA. You love to castigate the large urban areas for drug crime, etc., but what parts of the country have the biggest opioid crisis in America?

Red states. Look it up.

You say "These people can get some balls and take on the gangs and/or government in their own country. That is what we do in America." Except, in your advanced logic, Chicago, NYC etc.

News flash: These places are America too.

You ask: "Why should America take on thousands more i*****l a***ns because they have problems in their own country."
Here is your answer: Because that is our law, whether you like it or not. We have rules and procedures for dealing with asylum seekers. And yet you presume to lecture us on Rule of Law.

Rule of Law means respecting the law whether or not you agree with the law.

Take a lesson in critical thinking Dennis.
This is exquisite incoherence. Where to start? br ... (show quote)


What can I say to your post but; No s**t Sherlock. Of course there are drugs all over America. I never mentioned Red states vs Blue states. No need to say that. Who cares what Americans are affected when this is a problem that affects ALL Americans.

Yes I realize that drugs come to America because Americans buy them. Wow, that was enlightening. But you seem to be saying that drugs are acceptable because Americans want them. It is our government's job to protect our citizens. Part of that is to do what it can to stop drugs from entering our country. You do agree with that don't you? Drugs come in via SOME i*****l a***ns, wouldn't you agree? SOME i*****l a***ns are gang bangers, wouldn't you agree?

Yes, I totally agree with the rule of law. But there are many laws and entering America illegally is also a rule of law. If people come to the border and claim asylum they will be listened to, forms will be filled out and so on. Those that can PROVE a need for asylum will be let in. But I just now read online that the border patrol arrested over 400 people who entered America illegally and now want to claim asylum status. A number of laws are in place and the laws regarding asylum do not take precedence to the laws regarding entering the country illegally.

One more time BAZ, take a lesson in common sense. You need it.

Dennis

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