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Oct 13, 2018 11:32:35   #
WayneL Loc: Baltimore Md
 
billnikon wrote:
S--t happens. Get over it and buy a new battery. And make sure it's not a cra---e 3rd party one.


My 3rd party battery is still good, same age

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Oct 13, 2018 11:37:42   #
W3HII Loc: Weirsdale, Florida
 
Looks like it's just the case that cracked. Battery cells inside should still be OK.

WayneL wrote:
Some people knock 3rd party batteries but OEM battery can also create problems too. From my Coolpix A. Glad I took it out to charge it when I did. Battery is caved in a little

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Oct 13, 2018 11:46:07   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
lsimpkins wrote:
I did not see the original post as complaining about the failure, but rather pointing out that OEM batteries can fail, too. Or do you consider this Nikon branded battery to be "cra---e 3rd party"?


IF you read my reply I started out by saying S--t happens, get over it. S--t can happen to any camera, at any time, in any circumstance. My point was, get over it and move on. BUT, continue to stay away from 3rd party anything and RIDE WITH THE BRAND.

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Oct 13, 2018 12:14:13   #
WayneL Loc: Baltimore Md
 
lsimpkins wrote:
I did not see the original post as complaining about the failure, but rather pointing out that OEM batteries can fail, too. Or do you consider this Nikon branded battery to be "cra---e 3rd party"?


Some people are more happy when stirring the pot. You are right about the intention of my post.

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Oct 13, 2018 14:11:46   #
pv3977 Loc: San Diego
 
Lithium battery is swelling as much as 8-10% in size when fully charge. Cheap batteries use Lithium Cobalt Oxide (LiCoO2)which offer higher power density but generate higher temperature when discharge. High quality Lithium battery such as LMO and NMC incorporate absorption buffer material to prevent crack and dissipates heat during charge/discharge cycle. When you compare OEM vs knockoff batteries you see the knockoff has higher power density. For example Nikon EN-EL15 has only 1900mAh while knockoff has up to 2600 mAh because they use cheap Lithium cells. Higher power density is an indication of cheap battery.

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Oct 13, 2018 15:40:55   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
pv3977 wrote:
Lithium battery is swelling as much as 8-10% in size when fully charge. Cheap batteries use Lithium Cobalt Oxide (LiCoO2)which offer higher power density but generate higher temperature when discharge. High quality Lithium battery such as LMO and NMC incorporate absorption buffer material to prevent crack and dissipates heat during charge/discharge cycle. When you compare OEM vs knockoff batteries you see the knockoff has higher power density. For example Nikon EN-EL15 has only 1900mAh while knockoff has up to 2600 mAh because they use cheap Lithium cells. Higher power density is an indication of cheap battery.
Lithium battery is swelling as much as 8-10% in si... (show quote)


Interesting - didn’t know that...

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Oct 13, 2018 16:24:02   #
Fotoserj Loc: St calixte Qc Ca
 
China simply skip development, they steal technology or simply copy product with cheap components and underpriced the original product by flooding the market wich Amazon is very happy to resale along the original

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Oct 15, 2018 08:58:10   #
insman1132 Loc: Southwest Florida
 
Hey, Wayne, anything different just recently about your camera? Were you in extreme Heat or Cold? etc.

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Oct 16, 2018 10:23:19   #
11bravo
 
TriX wrote:
Yep, it's all about quality control. Before WW2, products from Japan had a reputation for poor quality, but following the war, they embraced Deming's quality philosophy, and now, Japan's quality control is world class (Toyota/Lexus, Nikon, Canon, Fuji - I could go on...). China is all over the place - some good, some bad, and hard to know which is which.
I don't know, where were the Japanese Takata air bags made that killed people? Or Japanese Kobe steel company that didn't bother with quality testing, just stamped the paperwork, or all Nissan cars sold in Japan over last 3 years due to final vehicle inspections not conducted by authorized techs, or Mitsubishi recalling cars due to falsified milage data... Japanese quality good, but not manager proof.

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Oct 16, 2018 11:32:56   #
jcboy3
 
WayneL wrote:
Some people knock 3rd party batteries but OEM battery can also create problems too. From my Coolpix A. Glad I took it out to charge it when I did. Battery is caved in a little


I don't see how any battery can get crushed and crack like that while installed in a camera.

Unless you have a severe case of shutter shock.

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Oct 16, 2018 18:33:05   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
11bravo wrote:
I don't know, where were the Japanese Takata air bags made that killed people? Or Japanese Kobe steel company that didn't bother with quality testing, just stamped the paperwork, or all Nissan cars sold in Japan over last 3 years due to final vehicle inspections not conducted by authorized techs, or Mitsubishi recalling cars due to falsified milage data... Japanese quality good, but not manager proof.


Yep, no denying that, but no less than Road and Track said some years ago that: “Toyota/Lexus is now producing the highest quality automobiles in the world” (displacing classic German technology/quality like Mercedes Benz). Mitsubishi? Not so much...

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Oct 16, 2018 19:05:45   #
pv3977 Loc: San Diego
 
The Nissan skip inspection, Kobei Steel and such are isolate incidents caused by poor upper management decisions; not because of their quality problem. It hurts Japanese reputations worldwide. If you look at the quality assurance methodology ingrained to the Japanese industry by Joseph Duran and Edward Deming in the fifties, you realize that they surpass every countries in quality. Their additional development of quality methodologies such as Quality circle, Kaizen, 5s, Just In Time Production ... insured their continual success into the 21st century.
China factory performs well only if that factory is under JV with a foreign company and it is under tight quality control of foreign company. Other than that their quality is mediocre at best.

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Oct 16, 2018 19:32:32   #
Bipod
 
TriX wrote:
Yep, it's all about quality control. Before WW2, products from Japan had a reputation for poor quality, but following the war, they embraced Deming's quality philosophy, and now, Japan's quality control is world class (Toyota/Lexus, Nikon, Canon, Fuji - I could go on...). China is all over the place - some good, some bad, and hard to know which is which.


Every country is different. Deming was able to make a huge difference in Japan because Japan
wanted to improve the quality of its exports. Japan craftsmanship had an unbroken tradition
of quality going back hundreds of years (e.g.. ceramics, samarai swords). They just didn't know
how to do statistical process control.

China's story is completely different. It had the Chinese Communist Revoltuion, followed by the
Cultural Revolution. Now it has "Marxism with Chinese characteristics". Corruption and nepotism
are rampant (and only enemies of the Leader, Xi Jinping, get prosecuted). . If W. Edwards Deming
were alive today and attempted to do in China what he did in Japan, he would be forced to take
orders from the local Commissar's idiot nephew.

Good quality manufacturing in China is the exception, not the rule, and it only exists when a foriegn
company is permitted to control every aspect of manufacturing.

But most important of all, Japan is an ally of the USA, and China is an adversary
of the USA. The evidence suggests that China does not care about product defects (or melamine
in dog food) unless it becomes public and causes a scandal. As long as the junk keeps selling,
China will make junk.

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Oct 16, 2018 20:04:29   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Bipod wrote:
Every country is different. Deming was able to make a huge difference in Japan because Japan
wanted to improve the quality of its exports. Japan craftsmanship had an unbroken tradition
of quality going back hundreds of years (e.g.. ceramics, samarai swords). They just didn't know
how to do statistical process control.

China's story is completely different. It had the Chinese Communist Revoltuion, followed by the
Cultural Revolution. Now it has "Marxism with Chinese characteristics". Corruption and nepotism
are rampant (and only enemies of the Leader, Xi Jinping, get prosecuted). . If W. Edwards Deming
were alive today and attempted to do in China what he did in Japan, he would be forced to take
orders from the local Commissar's idiot nephew.

Good quality manufacturing in China is the exception, not the rule, and it only exists when a foriegn
company is permitted to control every aspect of manufacturing.

But most important of all, Japan is an ally of the USA, and China is an adversary
of the USA. The evidence suggests that China does not care about product defects (or melamine
in dog food) unless it becomes public and causes a scandal. As long as the junk keeps selling,
China will make junk.
Every country is different. Deming was able to ma... (show quote)


👍👍 Not sure of the present status, but when I was serious about sailing, the conventional wisdom was that if you wanted a Choy Lee fine yacht (made in China), you purchased it unrigged and bought all the standing rigging in the US after delivery, because quality control on Chinese metallurgy was so poor (unpleasant thing to find out in a storm when the rigging was stressed to the max).

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Oct 17, 2018 03:46:18   #
Bipod
 
TriX wrote:
👍👍 Not sure of the present status, but when I was serious about sailing, the conventional wisdom was that if you wanted a Choy Lee fine yacht (made in China), you purchased it unrigged and bought all the standing rigging in the US after delivery, because quality control on Chinese metallurgy was so poor (unpleasant thing to find out in a storm when the rigging was stressed to the max).

I dropped a submersible pump 200 ft down a well because a Chinese cable clamp gave way.
Took a month to fish it.

Now I use only US-made Crosby rigging for hoisting.

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