U. N. Report on Climate
Oct 9, 2018 15:42:54 #
There are two terms in this title that will immediately cause some people to adopt a negative attitude. "Report" is not one of those terms.
The U. N. has issued a report on C*****e C****e, and the conclusion is not good. They say we must make drastic changes within just a few years, or it will be impossible to stop or reverse the current warming trend. The oil companies began research on g****l w*****g in the 1970s. They realized that they were a major cause of the warming, but they decided to do nothing about it. I think it's too late to do anything that will make a significant difference. We should have started making changes twenty or thirty years ago. If we start now, the changes will have to be drastic and expensive.
Some people think this is all just a s**m, but those who have studied the data know otherwise. Some people think that an increase in temperature of a couple of degrees makes no difference. Some people also think the earth is flat, and the sun revolves around the earth. Opinion has no place in science. Unfortunately, a major push for change relies on the United States, but the United States currently has little interest in science.
The U. N. has issued a report on C*****e C****e, and the conclusion is not good. They say we must make drastic changes within just a few years, or it will be impossible to stop or reverse the current warming trend. The oil companies began research on g****l w*****g in the 1970s. They realized that they were a major cause of the warming, but they decided to do nothing about it. I think it's too late to do anything that will make a significant difference. We should have started making changes twenty or thirty years ago. If we start now, the changes will have to be drastic and expensive.
Some people think this is all just a s**m, but those who have studied the data know otherwise. Some people think that an increase in temperature of a couple of degrees makes no difference. Some people also think the earth is flat, and the sun revolves around the earth. Opinion has no place in science. Unfortunately, a major push for change relies on the United States, but the United States currently has little interest in science.
Oct 9, 2018 15:56:22 #
Oct 9, 2018 16:02:19 #
jerryc41 wrote:
There are two terms in this title that will immedi... (show quote)
Simply put...this is bunk science.
No more no less.
People act like this is a done deal and that anyone who says otherwise is a "flat earther" dummy but there is plenty of data to suggest that this conclusion is unwarranted.
PS: Opinion has no place in science???
You don't pay attention; scientists are just as biased and messed up as anyone else.
Oct 9, 2018 16:23:47 #
Scientists are not science. Yes, scientists have opinions and bias but science is the consensus formed by years of research by many scientists. There are no data that show that c*****e c****e is not real. Sea level is rising, the planet is getting warmer, the climate is becoming more erratic with more frequent droughts, floods, heat waves and sever cold spells. This increase in climate fluctuations is exactly what c*****e c****e predicts. I remember reading about the threats of c*****e c****e in the 70's when those in power choose to ignore it for short term profits. There are still people who do this or believe those who do. They are wrong. We need to make drastic changes now if we want a planet that is hospitable for our children and grandchildren.
Oct 9, 2018 16:26:28 #
Your of course are welcome to & as a citizen encourage to express your opinion --- I for one wish you were right
BUT YOU ARE NOT
G****l W*****g is a reality
and Human Activity is causing it
BUT YOU ARE NOT
G****l W*****g is a reality
and Human Activity is causing it
Oct 9, 2018 16:50:48 #
This is the third time in 30 years they have said we have 10 years left to save the world from the UN Council.
Michael Oppenheimer said we had 20 years left in 1985. If we don’t act, our world will forever change in ways which we will not recognize.”
Horse Hockey!!
Michael Oppenheimer said we had 20 years left in 1985. If we don’t act, our world will forever change in ways which we will not recognize.”
Horse Hockey!!
Oct 9, 2018 16:56:25 #
pquiggle wrote:
Scientists are not science. Yes, scientists have o... (show quote)
If you mean:
"in the incredibly short time that humans have been studying the climate it's changing" then yes...great! Everyone agrees!
The issue isn't that, it's "What does it mean?" What does this imply for the future?" "what is causing it if anything?"
Those questions are just pure speculation at this point.
It's like saying: "It's been hotter for the last 3 days in Mass....c*****e c****e is real!" but you only have data points for the last 3 days....last week it was chilly and next week it will cool down also...
it's ludicrous to come to conclusions at this point.
Bunk science. Period.
Oct 9, 2018 17:02:47 #
G****l w*****g is definitely real however there are many reasons and human activity is the absolute least of them all. The earth has been steadily warming and sea levels have been slowly rising long before the industrial revolution. It's a s**m on the US taxpayer, just follow the money. I applaud this administration in not funding these frauds with our money. Why do you think the fed has to keep raising the interest rate to slow the economy, the fact that all these greedy, crooked politicians h**e him tells me he's doing right by the people just not good for the swamp.
Oct 9, 2018 17:12:11 #
pquiggle wrote:
Scientists are not science. Yes, scientists have o... (show quote)
What a lot of people question is not whether or not its happening but what we can do to change it - if anything. Its the 'human caused' component of c*****e c****e that is rightly in dispute.
Oct 9, 2018 17:20:03 #
If human activity wasn't a major cause then why has the rate of change been so well correlated with human activity? If even only a small part was from human behavior why isvitnso bad to alter that behavior? The side effect of the suggestions turns out to be cleaner air to breathe and cleaner water to drink!
Oct 9, 2018 17:32:33 #
Since the 1970's, research funding required any and all research to include 'Global C*****e C****e' Many will remember the 'panic' at that time of us entering the next Ice Age. We can still not grow enough food indoors to meet population demand.
This funding demand opened up basic research into 'Climate' an area that still quoted Victorian Parson's weather diaries. In the 1980's we decided it was probably a good idea to measure temperatures over 24 hours rather than 'first thing in the morning before prayers'.
The spin off from this was greater understanding of El Nino. The discovery of the effect ocean currents and high altitude jet streams have on climates thousands of miles away. To measure the heat exchange as The Gulf Stream moves north and east through the Atlantic, Gaia Hypothesis, that different crops can affect climate by their reflection or absorption of sunlight.(heat) The role that ice fields play and core ocean temperature plays in climate. Oh yes and the effect that cow s**t and a warming permafrost has on methane levels.
Little of this research professed to suggest rapid climate doom. However our understanding of past present and possible future climates increased dramatically. CCFs and holes in the ozone layer was the first suggestion that 'Industry' and 'People' could damage the fabric that gives us not only climate but life itself. Since then there has been a constant cry that 'we the people' are at fault.
Beyond the 'scare mongering' research suggests that we are experiencing a measurable warming. Not as much as was predicted in the 1990's but never-the-less a significant and unarguable warming. The effects of this are the loss of ice caps and shrinkage of high altitude glaciers. Rising sea levels and yes more dramatic rainstorms and hurricanes.
Part of this is 'our ability to measure'. We now have data records based on equipment not hearsay. We can measure the height of the oceans, and see the effects of 'changes' on land from space. There is evidence that whilst The Arctic fluctuates in size annually in the long term there is less ice, more often, now.
If we stop trying to 'blame' businesses and individuals - The science gives us facts,trends and a working hypothesis of outcomes. Politics merely gets in the way.
We have an increasing population in certain countries and declines in others (UN Population stats) We generally have an older generation so have more needs than a young generation (more waste for example or Housing needs) We have a greater effect on deforestation, greater needs for food production etc. We are having a greater effect on the fabric of the earth than in any previous century because technology allows us to do more in an hour than workers could do by hand in days..
Are we looking at 'The End of Days'...certainly NOT. So much landmass is still available for population. Technology moves so fast to find alternatives to just about everything we do and use...that is not going to change. We are a clever species.
But we will lose natural habitat and other life species. How fast is up to us...We should not pick and choose what to keep - The more we learn the more we realize the benefit of having a diverse species sharing this earth. We discover useful (to us) drugs and medicines daily from the most obscure animal plant and insect sources.
Please do not shoot the messenger....We..The People.. are having a bad effect on our planet. It is time we all looked at ways to limit and lower the amount of harm we are causing.
Sod what the Politicians say. To hell with the media.. Just look around you.
have fun
This funding demand opened up basic research into 'Climate' an area that still quoted Victorian Parson's weather diaries. In the 1980's we decided it was probably a good idea to measure temperatures over 24 hours rather than 'first thing in the morning before prayers'.
The spin off from this was greater understanding of El Nino. The discovery of the effect ocean currents and high altitude jet streams have on climates thousands of miles away. To measure the heat exchange as The Gulf Stream moves north and east through the Atlantic, Gaia Hypothesis, that different crops can affect climate by their reflection or absorption of sunlight.(heat) The role that ice fields play and core ocean temperature plays in climate. Oh yes and the effect that cow s**t and a warming permafrost has on methane levels.
Little of this research professed to suggest rapid climate doom. However our understanding of past present and possible future climates increased dramatically. CCFs and holes in the ozone layer was the first suggestion that 'Industry' and 'People' could damage the fabric that gives us not only climate but life itself. Since then there has been a constant cry that 'we the people' are at fault.
Beyond the 'scare mongering' research suggests that we are experiencing a measurable warming. Not as much as was predicted in the 1990's but never-the-less a significant and unarguable warming. The effects of this are the loss of ice caps and shrinkage of high altitude glaciers. Rising sea levels and yes more dramatic rainstorms and hurricanes.
Part of this is 'our ability to measure'. We now have data records based on equipment not hearsay. We can measure the height of the oceans, and see the effects of 'changes' on land from space. There is evidence that whilst The Arctic fluctuates in size annually in the long term there is less ice, more often, now.
If we stop trying to 'blame' businesses and individuals - The science gives us facts,trends and a working hypothesis of outcomes. Politics merely gets in the way.
We have an increasing population in certain countries and declines in others (UN Population stats) We generally have an older generation so have more needs than a young generation (more waste for example or Housing needs) We have a greater effect on deforestation, greater needs for food production etc. We are having a greater effect on the fabric of the earth than in any previous century because technology allows us to do more in an hour than workers could do by hand in days..
Are we looking at 'The End of Days'...certainly NOT. So much landmass is still available for population. Technology moves so fast to find alternatives to just about everything we do and use...that is not going to change. We are a clever species.
But we will lose natural habitat and other life species. How fast is up to us...We should not pick and choose what to keep - The more we learn the more we realize the benefit of having a diverse species sharing this earth. We discover useful (to us) drugs and medicines daily from the most obscure animal plant and insect sources.
Please do not shoot the messenger....We..The People.. are having a bad effect on our planet. It is time we all looked at ways to limit and lower the amount of harm we are causing.
Sod what the Politicians say. To hell with the media.. Just look around you.
have fun
Oct 9, 2018 17:51:19 #
Bill Nye promotes this rip off as well as AL Gore shouldn't that tell you something.
Here's a real expert with some facts.
https://youtu.be/ZDK1aCqqZkQ
Here's a real expert with some facts.
https://youtu.be/ZDK1aCqqZkQ
Oct 9, 2018 20:41:07 #
Oct 9, 2018 21:22:24 #
You can drown in a lake that is an average of 2 feet in depth if the lake is large enough for really deep places. Statistics are easily manipulated. Don't believe everything "science" puts out there. (I have a Master of Science degree and have seen junk science in action.)
Oct 9, 2018 22:11:34 #
A well know Meterorolgist her in New England spoke at a recent GCSA meeting and presented factual temperature data from 1970 to 2015. The Earth's temperature has risen .003 of a degree. Is this a natural occurrence or caused by man? He believes this is just part of the normal heating and cooling cycles of earth.....and that the climate is constantly changing....think ice age and dinosaur.
Jim
Jim
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