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Oct 6, 2018 12:58:01   #
copladocus
 
Excellent responses here, great viewpoints and strengths/weaknesses for each camera. Let me add that I am an early adopter of a 6d mkII and I love it. The features I use more than I thought I would are the articulated screen and the wireless communication/operation. I also like the touchscreen part of the equipment. I often have to shoot an array of property arranged on a table and the articulated screen allows me to hoist the camera overhead and take photos of large arrays of "stuff" without having to climb up a ladder to frame the shot. The wireless function was used in taking photos of a highly figured and highly reflective china cabinet. We darkened the room set up on a tripod and I operated the camera via a phone app from another room. With a bit of experimentation we got it right. All that said, if I was making money solely as a professional, I would add a 5d Mk IV to my gear and I base that solely on the recommendations of the membership here.

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Oct 6, 2018 13:00:31   #
Photocraig
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Sorry, but I have to disagree...

5D Mark III is a 6-1/2 year old model. 6D Mark II is a little over 1-1/4 years old.

Both are full frame...

Sure, the 5DIII has more AF points, 61 total. But of those 41 are higher performance "cross type" (the rest are lower performance, single axis type). One of the camera's AF points is f/8 capable (center point) and the AF system is able to focus as low as -1EV. ("f/8 capable" allows more lens/teleconverter combos to be used.)

6D Mark II uses a 45 point AF system (intro'd in 80D about 2-1/2 yrs ago)... all 45 of which are "cross type", up to 27 of which are f/8 capable (varies depending upon lens), and it's able to focus as low as -3EV light levels (approx. "moonlight"). The 6D Mark II's AF was significantly upgraded from the original 6D's. Same with the 5D III's, which was greatly improved over the 5D II's and original 5D's.

However, between the two of them, the 6D II's AF system is a generation or two newer and a bit more capable in several ways than the 5D III's.

In addition...

6D II has Dual Pixel AF in Live View, which is far faster than the contrast detection the 5D III uses.

6D II has nearly 20% greater resolution (26MP vs 22MP).

6D II has slightly faster frame rate (6.5 fps vs 6 fps) and a bigger buffer (98 JPGs vs 63).

6D II offers higher native ISO (ISO 100-40000 vs 100-25600... both expand to 50-102400)

6D II has a bit more usable high ISO, a little greater dynamic range, greater color depth, and overall higher rating by DXO.

6D II has a fully articulated 3" Touchscreen LCD... might be nice for landscape photography (5D III's is 3.2" fixed & not Touch... both are 1 million pixel).

6D II is lighter weight and is rated to get nearly 33% more shots per battery charge (both use LP-E6/E6N batteries).

6D II has built in wireless connectivity and GPS, which might be nice for landscape work, among other things. 5D III has neither (avail. using optional, separate modules such as WFT-E7/E7A).

On the other hand...

5D III has higher spec shutter.... top speed of 1/8000 (versus 1/4000) and flash sync 1/200 (versus 1/180).

5D III might have higher durability rating.... 150,000 "clicks" versus 100,000. Not sure about this, though.

5D III has dual memory card slots (one Compact Flash & one SD versus a single SD slot in 6D II).

5D III has 100% viewfinder (versus 98% in 6D II).

5D III has a PC sync socket (for wired connection to studio lighting... 6D II doesn't).

5D III has a headphone jack socket (6D II doesn't).

Don't get me wrong... 5D Mark III is a fine camera and very capable. If I already had a 5D III, I think there would be little reason to "upgrade" to 6D II. The differences just aren't that great. But when you have neither and are weighing a choice between them, the five year newer 6D Mark II matches or is incrementally better than 5D III in a number of ways. The 5D III only out-performs the 6D II in a few ways.

Also, the 6D II is currently in production and fully supported by Canon. The 5D III was discontinued in mid-2016 and eventually Canon will stop supporting it and run out of spare parts to make repairs to it. This happens sooner or later with all models, of course. But it's likely to happen sooner with an already-discontinued model, than with one that's still in production (and probably will be for around 3 more years, if we use the production lifespan of the original 6D model as a guide).

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-vs-Canon-EOS-6D-Mark-II
https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/canon/5d-mark-iii/vs/canon/6d-mark-ii/
https://www.apotelyt.com/compare-camera/canon-6d-mark-ii-vs-canon-5d-mark-iii
https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EOS-6D-Mark-II-versus-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III___1170_795
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/compare/Canon_6D_Mark_II_vs_Canon_5D_Mark_III_vs_Canon_5D_Mark_IV_vs_Canon_70D/BHitems/1346734-REG_847545-REG_1274705-REG_986391-REG
Sorry, but I have to disagree... br br 5D Mark II... (show quote)


Thanks, Alan, for a truly comprehensive reply, as usual.

In addition, the 6DII has a newer DIGIC processor which should yield better low light.high ISO results. The articulated screen is a MUST for me because I can't bend the way I used to, making low angle positions more accessible to me. The 5dIII, venerable as it is, isn't selling at a low enough used price to justify the risks of becoming unrepairable sooner. And used, is used. Although I'm a fan of buying used, the lack of warranty and the unknown prior use, and the many 5DIII's heavily used by pros that may be in the mix as well as some with latent problems present more risk than the current $500 difference in used/new price presents.

As much as I've GAS'd over the 5DIII for a long time, I think I'd opt of the 6DII. Because that's not on my purchase horizon right now, I'm interested in seeing what the EOS R and the adapters might bring to the upgrade from APS-C. Also. Jared Polin, "Fro," has a video that essentially mirrors all of your points (no surprise). Also note that Sharpie has mentioned a used 5D S as a potential option too, which presents a bigger boost in MPIX.

It is great to have a fact based discussion,
C

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Oct 6, 2018 13:15:48   #
chipdog902
 
Thanks. I was a successful pro a few decades ago. Back in the days of F1 and A1. While I used both, I preferred the A-1. I used several at the same time--film days. I have decided to pick photography again. My budget appears to dictate a used D5III or new D6II. It looks like the D5III is where I am going. I shoot EVERYTHING except formal portraits. MOST IMPORTANTLY, I need to get a camera where I can learn all the extremes, as well as the 'meat and potatoes' of these cameras. I will eventually get aD5mark4--I think.


THANK YOU ALL!!! I am SO appreciative of everyone's input. We really are a community.

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Oct 6, 2018 14:32:52   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Photocraig wrote:
Thanks, Alan, for a truly comprehensive reply, as usual.

In addition, the 6DII has a newer DIGIC processor which should yield better low light.high ISO results. The articulated screen is a MUST for me because I can't bend the way I used to, making low angle positions more accessible to me. The 5dIII, venerable as it is, isn't selling at a low enough used price to justify the risks of becoming unrepairable sooner. And used, is used. Although I'm a fan of buying used, the lack of warranty and the unknown prior use, and the many 5DIII's heavily used by pros that may be in the mix as well as some with latent problems present more risk than the current $500 difference in used/new price presents.

As much as I've GAS'd over the 5DIII for a long time, I think I'd opt of the 6DII. Because that's not on my purchase horizon right now, I'm interested in seeing what the EOS R and the adapters might bring to the upgrade from APS-C. Also. Jared Polin, "Fro," has a video that essentially mirrors all of your points (no surprise). Also note that Sharpie has mentioned a used 5D S as a potential option too, which presents a bigger boost in MPIX.

It is great to have a fact based discussion,
C
Thanks, Alan, for a truly comprehensive reply, as ... (show quote)


Just to add, the 5D3 and the 6D2 have almost identical low light/high ISO and DR performance, which is a function of the sensor: http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm

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Oct 6, 2018 14:48:25   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
Have you considered the new EOS M series Canon mirrorless? It is priced between the 5D series of camera bodies and the 6D II body and is due out soon (3 more days). All of Canon lenses will work on it along with the new series of RF lenses that are unmatched in performance and quality.


Shoot, I meant to say EOS R series Canon mirrorless. Not the M series. Sorry.

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Oct 6, 2018 14:57:28   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Either are great choices. Decide on your use(s) and go from there.

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Oct 6, 2018 17:02:17   #
gordone Loc: Red Deer AB Canada
 
If you could get a 6 year old Ferrari for the same price as a 2 year old Volkswagen, which woukd you buy? 5D3 all the way

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