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Oct 4, 2018 18:25:07   #
Mike D. Loc: Crowley County, CO.
 
Do you remember the VW recall for the TDI diesel engines? So far that little fudge has cost them almost 7 billion dollars. So one has to ask, was it worth it?



These were taken in between Pueblo and Colorado Springs. I guesstimated that this piece of dirt is approximately 300 acres and is almost completely covered by recalled VW's many of which have been there for quite some time.



This was difficult to properly capture because it was about 2 miles wide and roughly 1/4 mile deep. To complicate things, it was fenced with a LOT of No Trespassing signs and the name of the security company that is watching over the cars. There were also CCTV cameras all over the place and it was not my intention to get anyone's shorts in a bunch so I stayed out of fenced area. Supposedly they recalled 83,000 vehicles so this was only a drop in the bucket.



2732) Pike's Peak is under the clouds to the right somewhere.



2736) It was impossible to get them all in with where I was and the lenses that were with.



2737) Pike's Peak International Raceway on the south side. Also relatively unused for years.



2739) This one has been there for about a year already. How sad is that?









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Oct 4, 2018 19:16:24   #
wrangler5 Loc: Missouri
 
I'm sure it would have been "worth it" if they hadn't gotten caught. Presumably some person/committee made that analysis and decided it was worth the risk. Turns out they chose poorly, but hey, stuff happens in business. (I don't remember how they got caught, so have no clue as to how likely it was that they might have gotten away with it.)

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Oct 4, 2018 19:23:16   #
safeman
 
I hope they drained all the fluids from these vehicles. To me this looks like a superfund site in the making.

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Oct 4, 2018 19:54:17   #
tomcat
 
safeman wrote:
I hope they drained all the fluids from these vehicles. To me this looks like a superfund site in the making.


I wonder if they can auction these off. I'd love to have one and I don't care what the mileage is.

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Oct 4, 2018 20:26:21   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Mike D. wrote:
Do you remember the VW recall for the TDI diesel engines? So far that little fudge has cost them almost 7 billion dollars. So one has to ask, was it worth it?



These were taken in between Pueblo and Colorado Springs. I guesstimated that this piece of dirt is approximately 300 acres and is almost completely covered by recalled VW's many of which have been there for quite some time.



This was difficult to properly capture because it was about 2 miles wide and roughly 1/4 mile deep. To complicate things, it was fenced with a LOT of No Trespassing signs and the name of the security company that is watching over the cars. There were also CCTV cameras all over the place and it was not my intention to get anyone's shorts in a bunch so I stayed out of fenced area. Supposedly they recalled 83,000 vehicles so this was only a drop in the bucket.



2732) Pike's Peak is under the clouds to the right somewhere.



2736) It was impossible to get them all in with where I was and the lenses that were with.



2737) Pike's Peak International Raceway on the south side. Also relatively unused for years.



2739) This one has been there for about a year already. How sad is that?
Do you remember the VW recall for the TDI diesel e... (show quote)


Jeez, they should allow people to adopt a car, get it running and they could race them!
The racers win, the cars win and the racetrack wins!!
Lots of spare parts for the racers too!!!
SS

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Oct 4, 2018 21:28:48   #
safeman
 
These all have non-compliant emission standards. The engines at least will never see the road again.

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Oct 4, 2018 21:56:18   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
safeman wrote:
These all have non-compliant emission standards. The engines at least will never see the road again.


Do you sincerely think the middle east has it'd own EPA? Or countries in South America? They are very easily sold in areas that can not afford our clean-air legislation.

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Oct 4, 2018 22:07:58   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
safeman wrote:
These all have non-compliant emission standards. The engines at least will never see the road again.


Maybe, maybe not

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/volkswagens-recall-how-the-work-is-going-in-wake-of-the-emissions-scandal-36650132.html

There are 4 engines affected and some requires a software update while others also require a hardware change.

They might not see an American road again but if thats the case they may well be exported.

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Oct 4, 2018 22:29:43   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
blackest wrote:
They might not see an American road again but if thats the case they may well be exported.


Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Possibly a dealer may be interested purchasing them for profitable resale to a developing country with lower standards and restrictions concerning vehicles.

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Oct 4, 2018 23:55:05   #
Mike D. Loc: Crowley County, CO.
 
wrangler5 wrote:
I'm sure it would have been "worth it" if they hadn't gotten caught. Presumably some person/committee made that analysis and decided it was worth the risk. Turns out they chose poorly, but hey, stuff happens in business. (I don't remember how they got caught, so have no clue as to how likely it was that they might have gotten away with it.)


I don't remember the details either, those cars have been collecting there for quite some time. I believe that in many states diesel cars and light trucks are exempt from smog checks. My F250 with a 7.3 L turbo diesel has never been tested because Colorado doesn't require it so you so have wonder how they got caught. Maybe it was a state that does check emissions like California who received 25 million for a clean air fund. It would be interesting to find out how they plan on sucking the pollutants back out of the air.

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Oct 4, 2018 23:56:48   #
Mike D. Loc: Crowley County, CO.
 
safeman wrote:
I hope they drained all the fluids from these vehicles. To me this looks like a superfund site in the making.


Right! If they sit there long enough, leaks will happen from somewhere.

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Oct 4, 2018 23:58:45   #
Mike D. Loc: Crowley County, CO.
 
tomcat wrote:
I wonder if they can auction these off. I'd love to have one and I don't care what the mileage is.


It does seem like an incredible waste. Why not reprogram the computers and get them back on the road. The could recoup some of their outlay.

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Oct 5, 2018 00:02:56   #
Mike D. Loc: Crowley County, CO.
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Jeez, they should allow people to adopt a car, get it running and they could race them!
The racers win, the cars win and the racetrack wins!!
Lots of spare parts for the racers too!!!
SS


You are trying to apply a potentially logical outcome to their issue.

I have no idea what their plans are for all of those vehicles but one thing is certain, there is an enormous amount of money just sitting there that will eventually get ruined by temperatures of one extreme or another. Such a waste..

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Oct 5, 2018 00:06:45   #
Mike D. Loc: Crowley County, CO.
 
safeman wrote:
These all have non-compliant emission standards. The engines at least will never see the road again.


You would think that something could be done to make them compliant but hey, Ford could have fixed the 2 door exploding Pintos for about $1.25 and chose not to. Apparently multiple multi-million dollar lawsuits were cheaper. Logic does not always apply or win.

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Oct 5, 2018 00:14:33   #
Mike D. Loc: Crowley County, CO.
 
blackest wrote:
Maybe, maybe not

https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/volkswagens-recall-how-the-work-is-going-in-wake-of-the-emissions-scandal-36650132.html

There are 4 engines affected and some requires a software update while others also require a hardware change.

They might not see an American road again but if thats the case they may well be exported.



Unfortunately, this would make the most sense for VW. It is also unfortunate the polluters will still be out there, it will just take longer for the pollution to get back here...

I was fortunate to be able to visit Ireland last March, you live in a beautiful country that is chock full of incredibly friendly people.


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