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Sep 23, 2018 13:35:44   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
I saw a video recently about some cameras "built" in China. They were actually assembled in China from modules 'built' who knows where. The assembly was relatively low skill.

Most cars are built this way today. One plant in S. Africa makes seats for at least 7 brands that we would consider foreign and domestic.

The level of onsite quality control by the end user is a most important responsibility these days, no matter what the product. I don't even look to see where cameras or lenses are made unless somebody asks.

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Sep 23, 2018 14:26:21   #
Robyn H Loc: MainLine PA
 
karno wrote:
Do you find a quality difference from products made in Japan aposed to made in China?
Would you rather buy photography products made in Japan rather then in China to save a few dollars?
For instance xt2 Fuji was made in Japan, xt3 is now assembled in China.


Are you referring to where the parts are manufactured of where the final product is assembled?
I prefer the products that are made in Japan. I have Nikkor lenses made in China and in Japan. I find the overall quality of the Japanese lenses to be better. I also have many Canon lenses made in Japan but none made elsewhere. I'm guessing that only the cheapest of Canon kit lenses are made somewhere other than Japan.

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Sep 23, 2018 14:48:49   #
User ID
 
karno wrote:


It is funny for me to think back and realize
the most problems I have had with lenses
occurred when I bought Zeiss, they we’re
also the most expensive.



Germanic precision can actually be at the
expense of accuracy and/or reliability in
real world applications.

Examples:

Panzer vs Sherman tanks in desert environment

Compur vs Copal shutter escapements

Bulb sockets that fit GE but not Sylvania screw base

and acoarst your own Zeiss experiences :-(


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Sep 23, 2018 15:26:09   #
BebuLamar
 
karno wrote:
Do you find a quality difference from products made in Japan aposed to made in China?
Would you rather buy photography products made in Japan rather then in China to save a few dollars?
For instance xt2 Fuji was made in Japan, xt3 is now assembled in China.


I would like a Kodak made in USA, A Fuji made in Japan and a Shen Hao made in China.

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Sep 23, 2018 17:34:10   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
I would like a Hanzo Hattori sword made in Okinawa.

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Sep 23, 2018 18:03:00   #
BebuLamar
 
So I don't buy the Apple Iphone made in China.

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Sep 23, 2018 20:02:47   #
Bipod
 
karno wrote:
Do you find a quality difference from products made in Japan aposed to made in China?
Would you rather buy photography products made in Japan rather then in China to save a few dollars?
For instance xt2 Fuji was made in Japan, xt3 is now assembled in China.


Would you prefer to buy a car made in China or in Japan?
I can get you a great deal on a Chery, a Geely, or a Dongfeng!
What, you prefer a Honda or a Toyota? You capitalist!

China is a Third World Country with some industrialized big cities.
The PRC is still officially Marxist ("Marxism with Chinese
characteristics"--whatever that means). It is a one-party state:
the Chinese Communist Party, other parties are illegal.
China is an ally of the Russian Federation, with which just
completed massive joint military exercises.

As in Germany and Italy in the 1930s, government and industry
are closely linked. The People's Liberation Army is owner or
part-owner of many manufacturing companies. High officials
in the China Communist Party are major investors and directly
benfit from cheap labor. Independent labor unions are illegal.

By contrast, Japan is the world's most industrialized nation,
known for state-of-the-art quality control. It has the world's
highest literacy rate, and the world's most educated population.
It has the world's lowest rate of violent crime. Japan is a democracy
and a close ally of the USA. But manufacturing something
in Japan is expensive.

The only reason to manufacturer anything in China
is low cost. Labor is cheap, workplace safety lax, and
environmental protection non-existant. And--this really
stinks--abundant slave labor is available in prisons and
forced labor camps. Even some ordinary factories keep
workers locked inside.

There is a long history of camera production being moved
from Japan to China. I have seen this with my own eyes
In ever case, quality went down and never regained the
former level.

In some cases prices also came down, or didn't go up as
much as they would have. But does lower cost really
make up for lower quality?

Pentax has already moved some of its production back
to Japan, and Canon has announced that it plans to move
all camera production back to Japan by 2015.

Finally, I don't know if it matters to you, but China is
a totalitarian police state with a horrible record on human
rights and minorities--and its currently getting worse, not better.

The PRC goverment is run by Han Chinese, who dominate
the China Communist Party. They view ethnic minorities
as a threat. According to the UN, China has 1 million members
of the Uighur minority locked up in "internment camps". That
is in addition to the political prisoners in Laogai forced labor
camps.

Would you have bought a camera made by forced labor from
Dachau or Buchenwald?

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Sep 23, 2018 20:18:30   #
karno Loc: Chico ,California
 
Bipod wrote:
Would you prefer to buy a car made in China or in Japan?
I can get you a great deal on a Chery, a Geely, or a Dongfeng!
What, you prefer a Honda or a Toyota? You capitalist!

China is a Third World Country with some industrialized big cities.
The PRC is still officially Marxist ("Marxism with Chinese
characteristics"--whatever that means). It is a one-party state:
the Chinese Communist Party, other parties are illegal.
China is an ally of the Russian Federation, with which just
completed massive joint military exercises.

As in Germany and Italy in the 1930s, government and industry
are closely linked. The People's Liberation Army is owner or
part-owner of many manufacturing companies. High officials
in the China Communist Party are major investors and directly
benfit from cheap labor. Independent labor unions are illegal.

By contrast, Japan is the world's most industrialized nation,
known for state-of-the-art quality control. It has the world's
highest literacy rate, and the world's most educated population.
It has the world's lowest rate of violent crime. Japan is a democracy
and a close ally of the USA. But manufacturing something
in Japan is expensive.

The only reason to manufacturer anything in China
is low cost. Labor is cheap, workplace safety lax, and
environmental protection non-existant. And--this really
stinks--abundant slave labor is available in prisons and
forced labor camps. Even some ordinary factories keep
workers locked inside.

There is a long history of camera production being moved
from Japan to China. I have seen this with my own eyes
In ever case, quality went down and never regained the
former level.

In some cases prices also came down, or didn't go up as
much as they would have. But does lower cost really
make up for lower quality?

Pentax has already moved some of its production back
to Japan, and Canon has announced that it plans to move
all camera production back to Japan by 2015.

Finally, I don't know if it matters to you, but China is
a totalitarian police state with a horrible record on human
rights and minorities--and its currently getting worse, not better.

The PRC goverment is run by Han Chinese, who dominate
the China Communist Party. They view ethnic minorities
as a threat. According to the UN, China has 1 million members
of the Uighur minority locked up in "internment camps". That
is in addition to the political prisoners in Laogai forced labor
camps.

Would you have bought a camera made by forced labor from
Dachau or Buchenwald?
Would you prefer to buy a car made in China or in ... (show quote)

So you prefer Chinese built cameras aye lol,
Sounds like I hit a soft spot for you.
Maybe you should chill out, this was not a personal attack on you, just a general question to see how people feel and their experiences,
I think I know where you stand.

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Sep 23, 2018 20:26:48   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
For camera gear, I rely more on the company's reputation for quality than where it's built. I assume the manufacturer will find a supplier that will build the gear to their specs with appropriate process controls in place. With that said, I also check out the specs and reviews as even the better companies make either over priced or mediocre stuff that is best bought from a 3rd party.

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Sep 23, 2018 22:18:08   #
Robyn H Loc: MainLine PA
 
Bipod wrote:
Would you prefer to buy a car made in China or in Japan?
I can get you a great deal on a Chery, a Geely, or a Dongfeng!
What, you prefer a Honda or a Toyota? You capitalist!

China is a Third World Country with some industrialized big cities.
The PRC is still officially Marxist ("Marxism with Chinese
characteristics"--whatever that means). It is a one-party state:
the Chinese Communist Party, other parties are illegal.
China is an ally of the Russian Federation, with which just
completed massive joint military exercises.

As in Germany and Italy in the 1930s, government and industry
are closely linked. The People's Liberation Army is owner or
part-owner of many manufacturing companies. High officials
in the China Communist Party are major investors and directly
benfit from cheap labor. Independent labor unions are illegal.

By contrast, Japan is the world's most industrialized nation,
known for state-of-the-art quality control. It has the world's
highest literacy rate, and the world's most educated population.
It has the world's lowest rate of violent crime. Japan is a democracy
and a close ally of the USA. But manufacturing something
in Japan is expensive.

The only reason to manufacturer anything in China
is low cost. Labor is cheap, workplace safety lax, and
environmental protection non-existant. And--this really
stinks--abundant slave labor is available in prisons and
forced labor camps. Even some ordinary factories keep
workers locked inside.

There is a long history of camera production being moved
from Japan to China. I have seen this with my own eyes
In ever case, quality went down and never regained the
former level.

In some cases prices also came down, or didn't go up as
much as they would have. But does lower cost really
make up for lower quality?

Pentax has already moved some of its production back
to Japan, and Canon has announced that it plans to move
all camera production back to Japan by 2015.

Finally, I don't know if it matters to you, but China is
a totalitarian police state with a horrible record on human
rights and minorities--and its currently getting worse, not better.

The PRC goverment is run by Han Chinese, who dominate
the China Communist Party. They view ethnic minorities
as a threat. According to the UN, China has 1 million members
of the Uighur minority locked up in "internment camps". That
is in addition to the political prisoners in Laogai forced labor
camps.

Would you have bought a camera made by forced labor from
Dachau or Buchenwald?
Would you prefer to buy a car made in China or in ... (show quote)


Where did you find that outdated article?

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Sep 23, 2018 22:21:58   #
Robyn H Loc: MainLine PA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
So I don't buy the Apple Iphone made in China.


Personally, I wouldn't buy an iPhone, and all iPhones are Apple, regardless of where it is made!

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Sep 23, 2018 22:35:56   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
karno wrote:
Do you find a quality difference from products made in Japan aposed to made in China?
Would you rather buy photography products made in Japan rather then in China to save a few dollars?
For instance xt2 Fuji was made in Japan, xt3 is now assembled in China.


China today builds many top of the line, top quality, tech products. If it comes from a brand you trust I wouldn't worry about it.

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Sep 24, 2018 01:27:17   #
le boecere
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I think it depends on the product. Some products made in China are pure trash, useable maybe one time. Others seem to be of decent quality. But those cheaper products are inexpensive. I wonder how many people buy a crappy product like that, use it once and it breaks; then they say, Oh well, it was Chinese junk anyway, and throw it away.

Before I go on any farther, forgive me for not coming up with any specific products. The only ones I can think of are kitchen cooking utensils. But I am sure others can come up with hundreds.

As for Japan, I think on the whole, their products are better built and will last longer. I would also rather my money went do Japan than China.

Dennis
I think it depends on the product. Some products m... (show quote)


"I would also rather my money went do Japan than China. "

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Sep 24, 2018 01:29:28   #
karno Loc: Chico ,California
 
le boecere wrote:
"I would also rather my money went do Japan than China. "


Agreed

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Sep 24, 2018 06:16:18   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
karno wrote:
Do you find a quality difference from products made in Japan aposed to made in China?
Would you rather buy photography products made in Japan rather then in China to save a few dollars?
For instance xt2 Fuji was made in Japan, xt3 is now assembled in China.


China produces all levels of quality just like here in the states or any other country. It depends on the product and manufacturer.

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