wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

When Canon and Nikon came out with their mirrorless cameras, I thought they would come out with a common mount. I was wrong; they didn't use a common mount for their format like Panasonic and Olympus did in 4/3rds. Nothing in common even with the Sony FF mount. But now it looks like Leica, Panasonic, and Sigma are going to truly give the full frame market a run for their money. They will use the Leica SL mount. That means when one makes a new body or new lens, the SL systems will get a new body and lens. This is going to make much harder for Canon, Nikon, and Sony to compete against them. I could buy a Panasonic body, a Leica lens, and a Sigma lens and have it all work for and as a system. And maybe the rumors are true for Olympus FF - especially if they would go with an SL mount. This would not spell "good times" for Canon, Nikon, and Sony in the FF market: three or four companies acting similar to one big company against their individual mount systems. Only the future will tell.

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I don't think it will make any difference. There are more lenses available for Canon and Nikon than for any other makes. You can also buy Sigma lenses for Canon and Nikon.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Sigma makes other mounts as well as other makers make many mounts.
But the concept of several body makers using the same mount is interesting but not new. Remember the Pentax screw mount was a mount used on other bodies besides Pentax. Fuji even used it on their excellent bodies and excellent lenses.

Bill_de Loc: US

This spells out what is 'expected'.

https://www.diyphotography.net/panasonic-teams-up-with-leica-and-sigma-for-new-full-frame-camera-system/

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billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

[quote=wdross]When Canon and Nikon came out with their mirrorless cameras, I thought they would come out with a common mount. I was wrong; they didn't use a common mount for their format like Panasonic and Olympus did in 4/3rds. Nothing in common even with the Sony FF mount. But now it looks like Leica, Panasonic, and Sigma are going to truly give the full frame market a run for their money. They will use the Leica SL mount. That means when one makes a new body or new lens, the SL systems will get a new body and lens. This is going to make much harder for Canon, Nikon, and Sony to compete against them. I could buy a Panasonic body, a Leica lens, and a Sigma lens and have it all work for and as a system. And maybe the rumors are true for Olympus FF - especially if they would go with an SL mount. This would not spell "good times" for Canon, Nikon, and Sony in the FF market: three or four companies acting similar to one big company against their individual mount systems. Only the future will tell.[/quote

The new Nikon Mirrorless is currently sold out for three months of production going on four. No, you cannot mount an existing Nikon lens on the camera without an adapter. But read the specs and see WHY. It is cool.
However, if I mount my 24-70 mm 2.8 Nikon lens on the Z7, with the adapter, my lens remains a 24-70 2.8. So, all of my current Nikon lenses, all 15 of them, will fit and work on the Z7 or Z6. Canon, Nikon, and Sony understand that to bring the best out in their camera's they needed a new mount. I am very pleased with the way Nikon developed their mirrorless. I do not plan to buy one as I currently have what I need to create award winning images.
I have always believed it is the photographer, not the equipment, that makes the difference. I have not seen any camera that can take award winning images on it's own.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Common mounts are good for the consumer, but not good for lens makers, which may be why you don't see more common mounts. If I have a bunch of Canon lenses that fit my Nikons perfectly, why would I buy Nikon lenses? I think brand loyalty will enter into this. I'm not about to switch from Nikon to something else at this point in my life.

gwilliams6

Currently between Sony, Sigma, Zeiss, Laowa, Melke, Samyung/Rokinon and other lens makers there are nearly 100 lenses available in native Sony E-mount. So having different brand lenses in a particular native lens mount is not new or unique to this upcoming collaboration. Cheers

gwilliams6

Currently between Sony, Sigma, Zeiss, Laowa, Meike, Samyang/Rokinon and other lens makers there are nearly 100 lenses available in native Sony E-mount. So having different brand lenses in a particular native lens mount is not new or unique to this upcoming collaboration. This is good news for Panasonic but wont cause any major shift away from any other brand of camera/lens . Cheers

bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY

"Common" lens mount is nothing new, for those that remember screw mount (M42) "Pentax" lenses, fit lots of other cameras, others had their own mounts, always thought the Canon 'Breech' mount was the best, but $$ didn't allow me a Canon at that time.

BebuLamar

If it's a common lens mount then Panasonic perhaps doesn't want to make the high end lenses but leave that to Leica. Imagine shooting a Lumix with true Leica lenses (not Panasonic made with Leica name) that would be nice.

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

Actually, I don't see how Panny, Siggy and Leica have much choice but to combine their efforts.

And I'd never heard a rumor of Canon and Nikon developing a common mount (would have been extremely surprised had they done so).

I doubt that Canon, Nikon and Sony are very worried.
- Canon has approx. 50% of the interchangeable lens camera (ILC) market worldwide.
- Nikon has approx. 25% of the ILC market
- Sony has approx. 13% of the ILC market.
- The remaining approx. 12% of ILCs sold worlwide is divided up among Fuji, Olympus, Panasonic, Leica, Sigma and one or two others.

And, as of right now, there are exactly six SL-mount lenses.... the cheapest of which cost $4750 (75mm f/2) and $4950 (50mm f/1.4).

While Canon's EOS R is introducing with four lenses and Nikon's two Z models with three lenses.... both plan to add a lot more native lenses for their cameras and both can immediately utilize their respective full frame DSLR lenses via adapters. This increases the number of available lenses for each to more than 60 lenses. And that's not counting all the third party lenses made for them, which probably increases it to over 100 lenses to choose among.

To be fair.... There are some lens adapters for the SL system too.
- There's an adapter ($1300!) for Leica S-system lenses. There are 13 lenses for that medium format system... costing between $4400 and $11,000 (for a 30-90mm zoom!)
- There's an adapter ($750) to allow vintage, manual focus Leica R-system (35mm SLR) lenses to be used. Those are no longer manufactured, but might be found used.
- 3rd party adapter is available to allow Nikon F-mount full frame (FX) lenses to be used on SL mount (Novoflex, $830).
- 3rd party adapter is available to allow Canon EOS/EF mount full frame lenses to be used on SL mount (Novovlex, $655).
- 3rd party adapter to allow Sony/Minolta A series lenses (manual aperture control only) to be used on SL mount (Novoflex, $293).

On the other hand, there aren't yet but you can be certain there will be a ton of different adapters allowing use of many different mounts on both the Nikon Z and Canon R cameras (there already are a bunch available for the Canon M-series APS-C mirrorless and for the Sony full frame & APS-C mirrorless).

I doubt Nikon and Canon are very worried. Not having full frame mirrorless until now, they can only see brighter days ahead.

And I actually think it's a great idea for Panny, Siggy and Leica to team up. The competition will be welcome and can only help urge Canon, Nikon and Sony to do better.

If anyone should be worried, I'd say it should be Sony. They've been almost the only manufacturer offering full frame mirrorless for several years now (Leica SL system is hardly a blip, cannot possibly sell all that many, it's so high priced). Suddenly Sony has competition from the two largest camera manufacturers! And this latest announcement about an SL-mount coop can't be good news for Sony!

Remains to be seen what Olympus will do... they only offer micro Four/Thirds now and haven't made any full frame capable lenses in some time, AFAIK.

Pentax/Ricoh... too. No real mirrorless in any format at this point in time (nothing new in the Q-system in 3 or 4 years). But they have both APS-C and full frame DSLRs, might have their eye on new mirrorless products, too.

Fujifilm is the other major mirrorless player... I would guess will stay their course with their APS-C format and medium format mirrorless systems. They probably don't feel the need to join the crowd in the full frame mirrorless smack down.

We'll know more next week, when rumors are that Panasonic will be announcing at least one and maybe two full frame mirrorless. Sigma is best known for producing lenses for other manufacturers cameras, and that will probably be their primary role with the SL system mirrorless, too. But Sigma has also been manufacturing and offering their own DSLRs and lenses to fit them, for quite a few years. It's just not a big seller (maybe it will be in the future).

I'm waiting for the next announcement from Canon... I suspect it will be a mirrorless replacement for the 50MP 5DS/5DS-R, which are the oldest full frame models in their line-up now, dating from way back in 2015! (The APS-C 7D Mark II is the only EOS that's slightly older. But I think will it probably be replaced by another DSLR, not a mirrorless.... at least not in this round of updates.)

gwilliams6

Good post amfoto1 lots of info.

But just for perspective on those Mirrorless ILC sales percentages. Until Nikon released its Z-camera and Canon released their EOS R, Sony had nearly 100% of the FULLFRAME mirrorless ILC market (minus the few Leica fullframe mirrorless ILC cameras),with Nikon and Canon both at 0% percentage of FULLFRAME mirrorless ILC sales until just a few weeks ago. . So folks are going after Sony's near total dominance of this segment with their own fullframe mirrorless releases. Overall far more compact , micro 4/3rds and APS-C size mirrorless ILC cameras are sold than fullframe, yielding those numbers amfoto1 posted.
Cheers

User ID

What planet are you from, and how
long have you been visiting this one ?

No offence intended, just hoping to
be extra emphatic ;-)


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User ID

ATM there are only 3 or 4 lenses for each brand.

Obviously, there will be more later. But market
impact is time sensitive. Not saying this means
a market failure, just a reduced impact. Later is
not "now", and "now" is a big thing marketwise.


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User ID

Acoarst not. Cuz you've never seen
mine ... not that looking at them is
any special treat. And they do have
mobility issues ... they need me to
carry them around. But, other than
that, they pretty much take care of
most everything on their own.


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