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Sep 22, 2018 21:16:24   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
TriX wrote:
From all the comments, an excellent choice. My only concern would be if you intend to do some high ISO low light shooting. That’s where the smaller sensor is limited compared to an APS body (not the print size).

It definitely isn't the world's best low light performer but I've shot it at 6400-12800 ISO with reasonable results. But then again my motto: It is easier to remove noise than it is to eliminate motion blur!!

bwa

600mm, 1/320sec., f/4, ISO 6400
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Sep 23, 2018 03:24:55   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
TriX wrote:
From all the comments, an excellent choice. My only concern would be if you intend to do some high ISO low light shooting. That is where the smaller sensor is limited compared to an APS body (not the print size).


I guess my RX10/4 forgot to read the part where it says it's not great at low light shooting.

The shots below were all hand-held and taken without flash, processed in Capture One Pro Sony v11.1

It's got a fast lens that can be used wide open, making it very good for low light/high ISO. From the DP Review article:

"The RX10 IV offers the same excellent Auto ISO behavior as the RX10 III. Users can specify a lowest shutter speed threshold beyond which the camera should increase the ISO sensitivity. The options include five settings (Slower, Slow, Standard, Fast and Faster) that auto select a shutter speed based on the focal length being used. Standard tends to be 1/ focal length, with 'Faster' being 1/ double the focal length and so on.

You can also use Auto ISO when shooting in Manual mode, while also using Exposure Compensation to define the desired image brightness in both stills and video."

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cyber-shot-dsc-rx10-iv

ISO 250, 1/13 F2.4
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ISO 800, 1/10 F3.2
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ISO 800, 1/10, F2.8
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ISO 800, 1/20, F2.4
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ISO 800, 1/20, F2.4
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ISO 1600, 1/250, F3.5
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ISO 1600, 1/250, F4
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ISO 6400, 1/320, F3.5
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ISO 3200, 1/500, F3.2
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ISO 3200, 1/30, F2.8
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Sep 23, 2018 09:02:07   #
Jim-Pops Loc: Granbury, Texas
 
Outstanding set of pictures Gene51
First 4 are Exceptional!!!!

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Sep 23, 2018 09:14:30   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Jim-Pops wrote:
Outstanding set of pictures Gene51
First 4 are Exceptional!!!!
Outstanding set of pictures Gene51 img src="https... (show quote)


Thanks!

Given the lighting and subjects - the Sony RX10M4 is pretty good for low light AND high ISO subjects.

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Sep 23, 2018 10:54:28   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Gene51 wrote:
Thanks!

Given the lighting and subjects - the Sony RX10M4 is pretty good for low light AND high ISO subjects.


They are excellent shots Gene (as is usual for your work) and it is “pretty good” as you say in low light (although the shot at ISO 6400 is pretty “busy” and doesn’t highlight any deficiencies in noise); but I would hope that you’d agree that larger sensors perform better at high ISOs low light situations than smaller sensors from the same manufacturer and vintage - a quick look at the specs in the photons to protons DR chart I posted early in this thread shows the limited DR and low light/high ISO of this particular body. It all depends on the subject matter and what the photographer finds acceptable. Is it an excellent non interchangeable lens camera with an extended zoom range? Absolutely. Can you get higher performance from an APS Camera with a more limited zoom range with similar weight and cost? Also absolutely yes. It all depends on your needs and the compromises we all are willing to make when choosing equipment.

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Sep 23, 2018 14:28:40   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
TriX wrote:
They are excellent shots Gene (as is usual for your work) and it is “pretty good” as you say in low light (although the shot at ISO 6400 is pretty “busy” and doesn’t highlight any deficiencies in noise); but I would hope that you’d agree that larger sensors perform better at high ISOs low light situations than smaller sensors from the same manufacturer and vintage - a quick look at the specs in the photons to protons DR chart I posted early in this thread shows the limited DR and low light/high ISO of this particular body. It all depends on the subject matter and what the photographer finds acceptable. Is it an excellent non interchangeable lens camera with an extended zoom range? Absolutely. Can you get higher performance from an APS Camera with a more limited zoom range with similar weight and cost? Also absolutely yes. It all depends on your needs and the compromises we all are willing to make when choosing equipment.
They are excellent shots Gene (as is usual for you... (show quote)


Thanks! You are 100% correct on subject matter. Had the 6400 ISO shot been smooth water at night, the noise would have been more evident.

When I know I am going to need exceptionally good high ISO performance, I take my D810 or D800, both of which do a decent enough job for me. I do miss my D3S which was even better, but after you downsample a 36mp image to 12 mp, the differences are less obvious. All bets are off if you crop the 36mp image, though.

I found the performance of the RX10 to be a nice surprise. I never imagined taking ISO 1600 images with a 1" sensor and getting anything usable, much less 3200 and even 6400. Those Sony engineers are really something.

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Sep 23, 2018 14:43:28   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Gene51 wrote:
Thanks! You are 100% correct on subject matter. Had the 6400 ISO shot been smooth water at night, the noise would have been more evident.

When I know I am going to need exceptionally good high ISO performance, I take my D810 or D800, both of which do a decent enough job for me. I do miss my D3S which was even better, but after you downsample a 36mp image to 12 mp, the differences are less obvious. All bets are off if you crop the 36mp image, though.

I found the performance of the RX10 to be a nice surprise. I never imagined taking ISO 1600 images with a 1" sensor and getting anything usable, much less 3200 and even 6400. Those Sony engineers are really something.
Thanks! You are 100% correct on subject matter. Ha... (show quote)


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Sep 23, 2018 18:29:57   #
grayhawk
 
Gene51
Thanks for your posting photographs
This is a tremendous help to me
Truly Appreciated

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Sep 23, 2018 18:49:45   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Gene51 wrote:
I guess my RX10/4 forgot to read the part where it says it's not great at low light shooting.

The shots below were all hand-held and taken without flash, processed in Capture One Pro Sony v11.1

It's got a fast lens that can be used wide open, making it very good for low light/high ISO. From the DP Review article:

"The RX10 IV offers the same excellent Auto ISO behavior as the RX10 III. Users can specify a lowest shutter speed threshold beyond which the camera should increase the ISO sensitivity. The options include five settings (Slower, Slow, Standard, Fast and Faster) that auto select a shutter speed based on the focal length being used. Standard tends to be 1/ focal length, with 'Faster' being 1/ double the focal length and so on.

You can also use Auto ISO when shooting in Manual mode, while also using Exposure Compensation to define the desired image brightness in both stills and video."

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cyber-shot-dsc-rx10-iv
I guess my RX10/4 forgot to read the part where it... (show quote)


Much the same higher ISO performance I've experienced with both the III and IV.

bwa

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