Linda From Maine wrote:
Andy and Robert seem to think this topic is boring enough to hijack, but I appreciate your finding my question. I'll follow up in a private message.
Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa
Some don't see any need to know details because they say it is unlikely anyone will encounter the exact conditions.
Well that may be so, but for those new to photography or who have never done the type of photography as the image in question the information will give them a starting point to work from and learn it on their own. And as to reading the exif data, some don't know about it, some don't know how to access it etc etc.
From my point of view of a retired classroom teacher I still say that the more exact info to think about the more someone can learn. And this applies even more to technical things. At some point you may reach the level where you don't need it, but may still be interested anyway while others don't desire to know for whatever reason. If it is there and you don't want it, just don't read it. If you want to know then it is there, besides we can add things like lighting and other conditions that have bearing.
Example: the SS seems to be very high for the subject - but you find it was handheld from a moving vehicle/or the subject was moving - that justifies a very high SS for the subject.
Rongnongno wrote:
No wonder folks in the world call us 'ugly american'.
That was an American writer who did that. I never ran into anyone in another country who used that phrase, but lots of other descriptions. And of course it depends on the American, or Brit, or German, or Frenchman etc etc etc. as to if they are "ugly".
Jakebrake wrote:
Duh... Jeeze man. If I one were in a similar situation as the poster of a beautiful image including that information, it maybe helpful for a novice like me to improve my photography, could that not be beneficial? But, if Pro's like you want to be snarky, that's OK too!๐ You and I have been at it on it on another thread, why can't you just let it go man?
I have said I never remove the EXIF data and I would elaborate on how I take a picture if you ask me but how do you know if you are in a similar situation. What I am trying to say your approach to learning is flawed.
Shutterbug57 wrote:
Actually, I learned that bit of info from a gallery showing. I was at university, so was 20 +/- 2, and went to see a gallery showing with a girlfriend. There was a photography part of the gallery and the shooter had pics from the sea shore, some of them long exposures. He was willing to share his methods and that is where I learned how to get that smoothed water effect with a long exposure. That would have been in the 1970s, so way before even on-line bulletin boards, so pretty much the then-equivalent of this forum.
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He was willing to share his methods and that is where I learned how to get that smoothed water effect with a long exposure.
That is not the same as seeing some numbers without the photographer explaining what he/she did and why. I don't think anyone expects an explanation to go along with each posted picture, so all they get is numbers.
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robertjerl wrote:
Example: the SS seems to be very high for the subject - but you find it was handheld from a moving vehicle/or the subject was moving - that justifies a very high SS for the subject.
I like this idea because it goes one more step to teaching/learning. If Photo Gallery weren't so much about social sharing and nano-second viewing for many, I think we'd find more folks would be willing to spend time discussing. As is currently, it will be up to the viewer to ask the questions that will help in their personal journey.
I have only posted one topic to Gallery since July 30. In the opening of the one in July I said, "it would be a mistake to think this is straight out of camera
" Folks who were interested in the pp, including composite work, asked - and we chatted. It was a good thread.
The one I posted in August included four images. #4 was obviously "playful pp," but #3 wasn't as obvious. I don't recall that anyone asked specifically why the sky looked textured. So they didn't notice, or noticed and didn't care one way or the other about that treatment.
For some UHH sections it makes sense to include the exif, such as birds-in-flight and wedding. Those will be as much about technique as artistry.
AndyH wrote:
There is a difference between following natural drift and hijacking. Why donโt you return is to the topic?
"Natural" drift? Between Robert's recipe posting and this comment of yours, eight people (some of us posting multiple times) stayed on topic. Not sure how we return when we never left
BebuLamar wrote:
I have said I never remove the EXIF data and I would elaborate on how I take a picture if you ask me but how do you know if you are in a similar situation. What I am trying to say your approach to learning is flawed.
That may be your opinion Bebe, but you know what they say about opinions don't ya.
Again, thank you to the posters who include the information with their images. I especially enjoy Regis's stunning BIF images, and he is one of many who share their settings and gear.
BebuLamar wrote:
I have said I never remove the EXIF data and I would elaborate on how I take a picture if you ask me but how do you know if you are in a similar situation. What I am trying to say your approach to learning is flawed.
Your approach to teaching is flawed ....
robertjerl wrote:
Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa
Some don't see any need to know details because they say it is unlikely anyone will encounter the exact conditions.
Well that may be so, but for those new to photography or who have never done the type of photography as the image in question the information will give them a starting point to work from and learn it on their own. And as to reading the exif data, some don't know about it, some don't know how to access it etc etc.
From my point of view of a retired classroom teacher I still say that the more exact info to think about the more someone can learn. And this applies even more to technical things. At some point you may reach the level where you don't need it, but may still be interested anyway while others don't desire to know for whatever reason. If it is there and you don't want it, just don't read it. If you want to know then it is there, besides we can add things like lighting and other conditions that have bearing.
Example: the SS seems to be very high for the subject - but you find it was handheld from a moving vehicle/or the subject was moving - that justifies a very high SS for the subject.
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Bingo! And it doesn't matter how old you are or whether you're a pro or rank amateur. After 60 years, I know I'm still learning.
BebuLamar wrote:
I have said I never remove the EXIF data and I would elaborate on how I take a picture if you ask me but how do you know if you are in a similar situation. What I am trying to say your approach to learning is flawed.
This rather imperious comment has been expressed several times on this thread. Why don't you leave it up to the viewer to decide how/why/if they utilize your info? When I posted this topic I mentioned the term 'curious'. Basically that's all this was intended to be about: curiosity, nothing more.
AndyH
Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
Linda From Maine wrote:
"Natural" drift? Between Robert's recipe posting and this comment of yours, eight people (some of us posting multiple times) stayed on topic. Not sure how we return when we never left
Sorry. Can't help it - if anyone gets on the subject of food, I'm a goner.
I agree that the photo gallery section doesn't generate much but "nice shot". Again, I do find shutter speed and aperture information useful, at least when the poster gives the focal length of the lens used. It does help with visualization at times, as in the moving water examples.
I'll try to be more careful, both about posting shooting information and drifting off topic. Oh wait, meat loaf!
Andy
rehess
Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
burkphoto wrote:
This question comes up often. I always wonder why it matters! I havenโt seen a reasonable need for someone elseโs settings yet. Itโs one of those old camera club traditions that is probably more harmful and confusing than helpful.
We have this discussion on a regular basis. I learn at least three valuable things from settings - I don't see how any of these is harmful
(1) what ISO value people are comfortable working at
(2) what shutter speed was used to get a certain ambiance - in particular, level of motion blur
(3) what aperture was used to get a certain ambiance - in particular, DOF
rehess wrote:
We have this discussion on a regular basis. I learn at least three valuable things from settings - I don't see how any of these is harmful
(1) what ISO value people are comfortable working at
(2) what shutter speed was used to get a certain ambiance - in particular, level of motion blur
(3) what aperture was used to get a certain ambiance - in particular, DOF
Exactly, and well stated! ๐ I fully realize the Pro's and wannabees don't have to think twice about settings for a certain scene, but for myself, an amateur I do indeed find them helpful.
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