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Aug 29, 2018 07:36:58   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
safeman wrote:
Weird thoughts come to old people with too much time on their hands.

Should we continue to call ourselves photographers? Photographers record analog images on film, process and print the images creating photographs and if you are a professional sell these little pieces of reality as a source of income. I suggest that we have become collectors and manipulators of electrons. For many, if not most of us, the great majority of our electron collections remain just that--electrons. I sent my last roll of film in for processing and what did I get back, a link to a web site so I could retrieve my electron collections. I have begun thinking of my images stored on my computer as Electron Collections and the prints stored in my photo albums and files as pictures. Electron collections only become images when they are viewed or printed.

Before I change my mind I am going to send this and see what happens
Weird thoughts come to old people with too much ti... (show quote)


I am a photographer. I make pictures with light. "Electron Collections" is very clever. I foresee a commercial use of that term some day.

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Aug 29, 2018 07:39:39   #
fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH
 
drklrd wrote:
I like the harvesting of pixels much better than a collection of electrons. To me it seems that is what we really do.


Well as long as we're being completely anal about this, wouldn't it be more accurate to say we're "harvesting photons?" So if you're using a film or digital camera, it's the same process except film uses photons to initiate a chemical process while a DSLR converts photons to electrons although the printing process is also a chemical one. At that level, is there any difference between developing film into a print and printing a jpeg?

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Aug 29, 2018 07:50:09   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
First off, your first statement is slightly incorrect. Photographers don't record analog images on film. Film is digital. The current cameras are analog.

Now, on to a general statement. The etymology of photography is the combination of two Greek words essentially photos and graphy. Photos meaning light. Graphy meaning writing. So, light writing. Regardless of which one uses they are photographers. Now, the question arises how much is one required to know about the craft to produce a photograph. It seems less and less as time goes on.
--Bob

safeman wrote:
Weird thoughts come to old people with too much time on their hands.

Should we continue to call ourselves photographers? Photographers record analog images on film, process and print the images creating photographs and if you are a professional sell these little pieces of reality as a source of income. I suggest that we have become collectors and manipulators of electrons. For many, if not most of us, the great majority of our electron collections remain just that--electrons. I sent my last roll of film in for processing and what did I get back, a link to a web site so I could retrieve my electron collections. I have begun thinking of my images stored on my computer as Electron Collections and the prints stored in my photo albums and files as pictures. Electron collections only become images when they are viewed or printed.

Before I change my mind I am going to send this and see what happens
Weird thoughts come to old people with too much ti... (show quote)

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Aug 29, 2018 08:11:28   #
Beejank
 
You are a provocateur, frequently a good thing.

I think it's called change, been happening for the whole history of mankind and won't stop

I wonder what wet plate photographers would say about 35 mm cartridges or what they will say in 50 years about our primitive photographic technology?

I think it's still all about capturing light and dependent on what the creative eye is able to see.

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Aug 29, 2018 08:14:41   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
speters wrote:
What do you expect to happen? Everybody has his/her own ways of seeing things in their own way (and that's a good thing)! So, welcome to the crowd!


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Yep!

And....

In a manner of speaking, photons and electromagnetic waves are synonyms, and in everyday terms, they are simply referred to as “light”. In fact, a photon is a “particle of light” and an electromagnetic wave as a “lightwave”.

https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/what-is-light

Photons with the electromagnetic waves are subatomic "stuff". Be whatever the means of "capturing" the many different vibrations of these to retain an image for future inspection (and perhaps enjoyment) be it by a chemical or electronic means is a "boiled down" definition of what we have named Photography. Thus - The "Collector" is a Photographer. Words ... Just words.

Some photographers do both electronic and chemical "collecting". And too, one can incorporate the two together.

Yes - This collecting IS for each person's enjoyment and edification.

May The Light Be With You.

James.

=0=

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Aug 29, 2018 08:33:52   #
DonBonn
 
The etymology of photo is Greek phos for light, photography would be the study of light. While film used to be the medium, it not the defining factor. You are still a photographer if you want to be.

I just consider myself to be a guy with a camera.

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Aug 29, 2018 08:44:20   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
Sigh, I guess the same thinking applies to musicians: just a collection of vibrations. How depressing

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Aug 29, 2018 08:47:55   #
d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA
 
Some people have too much time on their hands...

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Aug 29, 2018 08:51:08   #
mflowe Loc: Port Deposit, MD
 

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Aug 29, 2018 08:53:41   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
The result, an image, ties film photography to digital photography. Aiming for this shared outcome defines the occupation of photographer. As well, we might say that the use of a camera with lens by both film and digital media adds to this definition.

Displaying the image on a computer monitor offers only another mode of presentation.

The advances in photography technology since the mid-19th-Century have directed at improved images.

Individuals who involve themselves in the production of still images function as photographers.
safeman wrote:
Weird thoughts come to old people with too much time on their hands.

Should we continue to call ourselves photographers? Photographers record analog images on film, process and print the images creating photographs and if you are a professional sell these little pieces of reality as a source of income. I suggest that we have become collectors and manipulators of electrons. For many, if not most of us, the great majority of our electron collections remain just that--electrons. I sent my last roll of film in for processing and what did I get back, a link to a web site so I could retrieve my electron collections. I have begun thinking of my images stored on my computer as Electron Collections and the prints stored in my photo albums and files as pictures. Electron collections only become images when they are viewed or printed.

Before I change my mind I am going to send this and see what happens
Weird thoughts come to old people with too much ti... (show quote)

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Aug 29, 2018 08:59:29   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Photons are captured on a sensor other than your eye, whether it be film or digital. From that point on, it's still a photograph.

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Aug 29, 2018 08:59:52   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
safeman wrote:
Weird thoughts come to old people with too much time on their hands.

Should we continue to call ourselves photographers? Photographers record analog images on film, process and print the images creating photographs and if you are a professional sell these little pieces of reality as a source of income. I suggest that we have become collectors and manipulators of electrons. For many, if not most of us, the great majority of our electron collections remain just that--electrons. I sent my last roll of film in for processing and what did I get back, a link to a web site so I could retrieve my electron collections. I have begun thinking of my images stored on my computer as Electron Collections and the prints stored in my photo albums and files as pictures. Electron collections only become images when they are viewed or printed.

Before I change my mind I am going to send this and see what happens
Weird thoughts come to old people with too much ti... (show quote)


I will stick with the time honored definition of photography as "drawing with light." The medium you use to do the drawing is irrelevant.

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Aug 29, 2018 09:00:23   #
wds0410 Loc: Nunya
 
d2b2 wrote:
Some people have too much time on their hands...


Exactly what I was thinking!

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Aug 29, 2018 09:00:46   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
Maybe you are right--too much time on your hands.

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Aug 29, 2018 09:04:12   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
The whole "too much time on your hands" thing seems a bit self-referential.


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