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Aug 28, 2018 08:33:05   #
alby Loc: very eastern pa.
 
i don't go to many weddings. mostly family. don't have a fancy camera. i stay way out of the way, shoot almost only candids as the pro is there to get the "set ups"... i turned off the shutter sound and it bothers no one. many times some of mine were favorites over the pro's... makes me feel good to provide "memories".

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Aug 28, 2018 08:34:12   #
jrcarpe Loc: Jacksonville,AR
 
I was asked by the bride to shoot some video of the wedding and while in the process of doing so the hired photographer told me I was interfering with him and requested me to stop. I politely informed him I was doing this as per the Bride's request and if he had a problem he could discuss it with her. Problem solved.

However with the introduction of cell phones everyone now thinks they are a photographer.I hate to be at a wedding or other event and see the phones come out.

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Aug 28, 2018 08:37:09   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
As a wedding shooter for most of my 44 years as a pro, I understand why the photographer had that statement put into the program. I cant tell you how many times a family member or zealous guest has stood up and/or blocked me from making that shot of a critical wedding or reception moment, from the first kiss, to walking down the aisle, to that first dance, and cutting the cake. As the official photographers we are getting paid to cover an event, and our clients, the bride and groom expect us as pros to make those shots and more. We can't come back to them later and say, oh sorry I dont have that moment (that will never happen again) because Aunt Ruth or Uncle Charley thought it would be neat to stand up in front of the photographer, or lean into the aisle with their cellphone, blocking the photographer.

I often shoot with a second shooter and also offer video, either by myself or with a dedicated video shooter. We take great pains to coordinate our coverage so everyone of our shooters can have a clear angle for coverage. We can not factor in anyone else who may wish to intrude as a shooter. I also put this statement out or make an announcement to the wedding guests. I also ask if there is anyone that would prefer NOT being in photos, so my crew can avoid taking their photo, that does occur at weddings.

It has nothing to do with any insecurities, but has to do with providing the best , most complete and excellent photos to the couple who has hired us to capture these once in a lifetime moments.. Put your camera and cellphones away, enjoy the wedding and let the hired pros do their jobs. You can get copies later of our excellent and unobstructed work. Cheers
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Good answer!

I’ve been a candid photojournalist at several wedding receptions. In each case, I had an advance agreement with the bride and her photographer that I would stay out of the way of the other pro(s), and not duplicate their scenes or setups. I would either video the ceremony, or not photograph it at all.

Unfortunately, we live in an age when getting a cellphone photo is more important than experiencing the occasion. The most disgusting, saddest thing to see is 20 people with iPhones crawling all over each other at the front row of an event, each reaching for the best photo.

I have no problem with pros who have exclusivity clauses in their contracts, and no problems with couples who agree to them. If it gives the pros a monopoly, so be it. It’s the families’ day, and someone in the wedding party is paying the bills. Every invitee is a spectator, and should abide by the couple’s requests.

Receptions are often a little different. That’s where many pros have struck a detente of sorts. The bride and groom announce that attendees should not take photos of any “setup” scenes where the pros are working, but they are free, and encouraged, to photograph anything else of interest. This honors the 1980s’ “disposable camera on each reception table” practice, by using guests’ cellphones.

It’s wise to check your sense of entitlement at the door of any event, until you know you have permission to use a camera.

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Aug 28, 2018 08:40:53   #
Country Boy Loc: Beckley, WV
 
My thoughts exactly. It would be so easy to ask the family if they would make an exception but you make the decision thinking what you were doing was important enough - that was totally wrong.
rpavich wrote:
How good or bad they were makes zero difference. The bride requested that nobody take pictures. End of story...done deal. Regardless of your intentions or what you "want," you aren't involved in making the rules.


When did basic respect for wishes get usurped by self gratification of ones one desires?

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Aug 28, 2018 08:43:54   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
rwww80a wrote:
I have been taking pictures for 50 years (started with a Nikkormat FTn) with candids at the many weddings I have attended through the years.

This was a first!

In the ceremony program there was a statement (printed in the middle of the first page of the program) about the "excellent" photographers the couple had hired and not to take cell phone pix and post during the ceremony. I had my Nikon 7200 and took some pix and went to the reception took a few more. The sister of the bride came up to me and said cease and desist, I tried to tell her that what I was doing was to make an album of candids for a gift for the happy couple which I have done many other times. I stopped, didn't want to make the bride unhappy. I even had the grandparents come up to me as ask me to shoot some portraits of them - which I declined to do at that point because I wasn't the "official" photog. It made me feel bad for them later because I never saw the official wedding photogs over on the side of the room where they were sitting away from the noise.
Later the mother of the groom came up to me and explained that the picture statement in the program was done at the photographers insistence because the photographers didn't want their time and photos "devalued" by amateurs at the wedding. THEY are the picture takers and no one else can shoot the wedding? First I've heard of that! I had even been trying to stay out of the pros way so I wouldn't get in their way or ruin their shots! By the way, on the next day there must have been at least 10 postings on Facebook of cell phone vids and photos from the wedding and reception.

Are the pros really that paranoid and insecure about their work AND that amateurs could possibly make their work look bad or not as good? The photogs didn't even have the b...s to ask me themselves?

Yes in the past I have had several couples or families say that the album I put together as a gift was better than the pro BUT I think that because they were family.

Any other experiences or opinions???
I have been taking pictures for 50 years (started ... (show quote)


I have seen both sides of that issue. I have shot (professionally) many weddings and have had several incidents with guests and their "personal" cameras. Some would jump into the middle of my set shots of the bride coming down the isle.. I have a mid-telephoto zoom and set the camera up on a tripod behind the podium so I could get shots of the bridal party coming down the isle to the front. But, I have 4 or 5 shots per wedding of a "amateur" photographer jumping into the middle of my "candid" shots in most of the weddings. I've also had several instances of well meaning wedding guests intruding into the photo session between the wedding and the reception. This is not to mention the "staged" shots of the garter removal and cake cutting etc.
So, I can understand the frustrations of the photographer and the family. After all the family is paying big dollars for the photographer to get good shots (without some guest barging in). And yes, I included cellphone shots etc. into the mix... I don't care whether it is a cell phone, a point and shoot or a full blown whatever (including video). I don't (and the family doesn't want) shots of the bride and groom (or the wedding in general) with well meaning guests standing in front of a photographer being paid to shoot the event.
Now, I have attended many weddings as a guest and constantly watch the "paid" photographer perform his or her work. (you never know when they may have a shot that you didn't think of and you'll want to do it the next time you shoot a wedding. But, I also feel for the photographer and will try to politely point out to well meaning guests that they are intruding into the photographer's shot. I usually get the dirty look or comment... but at least I get them thinking. I always point out that they would be upset if some well intending person was pushing into a job that they were being paid to do. The grey area is that if you have a "paid" photographer that is just ignoring obvious shots... (like the afore mentioned garter or the throwing of the bridal bouquet, then yes.. get the shot... cell phone or whatever. But, if the person is doing their job.. STAY OUT OF IT!

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Aug 28, 2018 08:57:56   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
When I go to a wedding, I leave my camera at home. I have seen too many wedding photos ruined by people standing in front of the hired photographer. Especially during the ceremony. I have several times witnessed wedding guests jump into the aisle, in front of the photographer because they knew, they just KNEW they could get a better shot of the kiss with their iPhone!

You can say you "try" to stay out of the photographer's way, but, unless you have eyes in the back of your head, try is the best you can do and you will fail several times during the event. Even if you turn around to check, you might just ruin a shot and look like a photo bomber. Multiply that failure by just 1/4 of the guests who want to record the event and a photographer is lucky to get any good shots.

Unless asked to bring my camera, I leave it a home (OK in the car.) Even if asked, I may decline since I am there to celebrate the event, not record it. Celebrating is the role I agreed to when I accepted the invitation.

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Aug 28, 2018 09:22:32   #
pappleg
 
rwww80a wrote:
I have been taking pictures for 50 years (started with a Nikkormat FTn) with candids at the many weddings I have attended through the years.

This was a first!

In the ceremony program there was a statement (printed in the middle of the first page of the program) about the "excellent" photographers the couple had hired and not to take cell phone pix and post during the ceremony. I had my Nikon 7200 and took some pix and went to the reception took a few more. The sister of the bride came up to me and said cease and desist, I tried to tell her that what I was doing was to make an album of candids for a gift for the happy couple which I have done many other times. I stopped, didn't want to make the bride unhappy. I even had the grandparents come up to me as ask me to shoot some portraits of them - which I declined to do at that point because I wasn't the "official" photog. It made me feel bad for them later because I never saw the official wedding photogs over on the side of the room where they were sitting away from the noise.
Later the mother of the groom came up to me and explained that the picture statement in the program was done at the photographers insistence because the photographers didn't want their time and photos "devalued" by amateurs at the wedding. THEY are the picture takers and no one else can shoot the wedding? First I've heard of that! I had even been trying to stay out of the pros way so I wouldn't get in their way or ruin their shots! By the way, on the next day there must have been at least 10 postings on Facebook of cell phone vids and photos from the wedding and reception.

Are the pros really that paranoid and insecure about their work AND that amateurs could possibly make their work look bad or not as good? The photogs didn't even have the b...s to ask me themselves?

Yes in the past I have had several couples or families say that the album I put together as a gift was better than the pro BUT I think that because they were family.

Any other experiences or opinions???
I have been taking pictures for 50 years (started ... (show quote)


I did part time weddings for 35 years. While attending a friends wedding I brought my camera but was not the "official" photog that day. While composing a few shots keeping well away from the pro they had hired an apparent female "assistant" deliberately stepped in front of me. After the second time I told her that my titanium camera body could make quite an alteration to her anatomy-she left me alone!

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Aug 28, 2018 09:27:38   #
KarenKaptures Loc: New Jersey
 
I would honor the wishes of the couple. Also, sometimes, brides don’t care for cell phone pics and wants guests to refrain from posting to social media during the ceremony allowing her time to post wedding pics first.



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Aug 28, 2018 09:29:55   #
BebuLamar
 
A wedding, a party, a trade show, a concert all are the same to me. If the people who are in charge of the venue don't want me to take picture then I won't take picture. The official photographer is irrelevant to me.

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Aug 28, 2018 09:39:49   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
When I did weddings for hire - I never had an instance where a guest caused any sort of real interference in my work (did have the occasional jerk - but I could be intimidating if need be, and could usually defuse a situation) - some minor inconvenience maybe, but as for important "lost" shots, no. I have seen drunken wedding guests cause problems, but I was always able to work around them. As a guest or even participant in a wedding, (unless it was in a dungeon) I'd shoot fast film/high ISO "no flash" and get all I could get, often using a smaller camera or a high qual. P&S. Later if out of the way, no qualms about flash for candids. Folks knew me and my skill level and always wanted copies of what I shot to go along with any official album. When I did "for hire" I did the "official" album, and then usually a smaller album of candids as a goodwill freebie. Did "save" a couple of weddings where the Photog didn't show (accident) and a couple that were late for whatever reason - I just stepped in and did the prelims.

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Aug 28, 2018 09:43:44   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
I don't and won't take a camera to a wedding. We have people making a living on Wedding Pictures. Let them make a living.

I don't want a bidding war to under sell my pictures.

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Aug 28, 2018 09:51:56   #
pendennis
 
I photographed weddings for a number of years. I designed my contracts so that I was the exclusive photographer for the event, and that others could take pictures only when I'd completed a section of the wedding event I was photographing. For instance, coming down the aisle the bride could only be photographed after I finished her procession. It was always too late to get in pictures once the bride arrived at the altar. The same held true for any photographs permitted by the official at the altar. The priest/rabbi/minister always had my back.

On post-ceremony poses, I moved too quickly for "Uncle Joe and his Sears KSX". If he wanted to try and corral the participants after I was finished, good luck! I also moved the party along to the church entrance for departure very quickly. The amateurs were never privy to my script.

At receptions, control was quite a bit more difficult, so I got the shots I needed at those events, but didn't really mind the amateurs, since I had position for all the takes.

I found that, over time, my concentration levels and preparation far exceeded the ardor of the amateur.

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Aug 28, 2018 09:55:16   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Quite honestly, the weddings I've been invited to attend as a guest keeps my cameras at home. The wedding party hired photographers and they are responsible for the wedding photos not me. There are times when one just needs to leave the cameras at home.

The only time I photographed a wedding in which I wasn't the wedding photographer was when a wedding was held in the vicinity of a pub for which I was the official photographer. Since the wedding was part of the pub activities, I was asked by the owner to photograph the event. The happy couple received none of the photos I took. They were posted, in small format, on the pub's facebook page.
--Bob

rwww80a wrote:
I have been taking pictures for 50 years (started with a Nikkormat FTn) with candids at the many weddings I have attended through the years.

This was a first!

In the ceremony program there was a statement (printed in the middle of the first page of the program) about the "excellent" photographers the couple had hired and not to take cell phone pix and post during the ceremony. I had my Nikon 7200 and took some pix and went to the reception took a few more. The sister of the bride came up to me and said cease and desist, I tried to tell her that what I was doing was to make an album of candids for a gift for the happy couple which I have done many other times. I stopped, didn't want to make the bride unhappy. I even had the grandparents come up to me as ask me to shoot some portraits of them - which I declined to do at that point because I wasn't the "official" photog. It made me feel bad for them later because I never saw the official wedding photogs over on the side of the room where they were sitting away from the noise.
Later the mother of the groom came up to me and explained that the picture statement in the program was done at the photographers insistence because the photographers didn't want their time and photos "devalued" by amateurs at the wedding. THEY are the picture takers and no one else can shoot the wedding? First I've heard of that! I had even been trying to stay out of the pros way so I wouldn't get in their way or ruin their shots! By the way, on the next day there must have been at least 10 postings on Facebook of cell phone vids and photos from the wedding and reception.

Are the pros really that paranoid and insecure about their work AND that amateurs could possibly make their work look bad or not as good? The photogs didn't even have the b...s to ask me themselves?

Yes in the past I have had several couples or families say that the album I put together as a gift was better than the pro BUT I think that because they were family.

Any other experiences or opinions???
I have been taking pictures for 50 years (started ... (show quote)

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Aug 28, 2018 10:06:21   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
If you are asked to do something at someone's wedding by the wedding party, don't you think it's right to simply adhere to those requests rather than completely disregard? And YES, I've seen and heard this before because many people with their cell phones including "Uncle Bob" get in the way of the photographers and ruin some of the traditional planned wedding pictures. I've see some weddings where the wedding party put those instant cameras on each table for the guests to use and then simply leave the camera on the table when it's used up. I've also seen some of those shitty pictures. Most (90%) are crap.

rwww80a wrote:
I have been taking pictures for 50 years (started with a Nikkormat FTn) with candids at the many weddings I have attended through the years.

This was a first!

In the ceremony program there was a statement (printed in the middle of the first page of the program) about the "excellent" photographers the couple had hired and not to take cell phone pix and post during the ceremony. I had my Nikon 7200 and took some pix and went to the reception took a few more. The sister of the bride came up to me and said cease and desist, I tried to tell her that what I was doing was to make an album of candids for a gift for the happy couple which I have done many other times. I stopped, didn't want to make the bride unhappy. I even had the grandparents come up to me as ask me to shoot some portraits of them - which I declined to do at that point because I wasn't the "official" photog. It made me feel bad for them later because I never saw the official wedding photogs over on the side of the room where they were sitting away from the noise.
Later the mother of the groom came up to me and explained that the picture statement in the program was done at the photographers insistence because the photographers didn't want their time and photos "devalued" by amateurs at the wedding. THEY are the picture takers and no one else can shoot the wedding? First I've heard of that! I had even been trying to stay out of the pros way so I wouldn't get in their way or ruin their shots! By the way, on the next day there must have been at least 10 postings on Facebook of cell phone vids and photos from the wedding and reception.

Are the pros really that paranoid and insecure about their work AND that amateurs could possibly make their work look bad or not as good? The photogs didn't even have the b...s to ask me themselves?

Yes in the past I have had several couples or families say that the album I put together as a gift was better than the pro BUT I think that because they were family.

Any other experiences or opinions???
I have been taking pictures for 50 years (started ... (show quote)

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Aug 28, 2018 10:07:00   #
JCM
 
As a close friend to one of the best portrait - and wedding - professional photographers in the USA I can relate his comments regarding how many of his photos were ruined by persons in attendance at the wedding taking photos and having their flash go off during his shoot. This was back in the film days so they shot discretely and more limited. It can only be worse with the small cameras and cell phones today. Remember, this is how the photographer makes a LIVING. Botched up photos impact his/her ability to sell the photos. If one does not want professional work at their wedding then just let everyone take photos willy nilly. Another point - and especially for the "f off" response - this is their wedding NOT yours so have some respect. If you are unable to agree to this then just stay home. When it's your show and you're paying the bills then you can make the rules. In this case, you're not entitled to do whatever the f you want. See, I can play that game too.

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